Nc/sc southeast Summer showing under Heat advisory

[Ponyplusaninch]

Yes. The ones you run under water and they freeze? I use those. Those rings help me recover faster in between rounds and warm up. For a long time I thought it was my cardio that was the problem, and that’s why I tired so quickly on hot days. While my cardio can still stand to be better, it turns out body temp also plays a role in recovery so might as well take advantage of tech and innovations that can help with that!

Also a friendly PSA for horses and riders to have electrolytes on hand. I have sugar-free electrolyte packets and use one after almost every ride in the summer months. It is wild what a difference it makes to my recovery time so I can make through the rest of my day and not be totally knackered from a 60 minute ride.

Our barn owner did frozen electrolyte “popsicles” for the horses this last week–most loved them! Mine for some reason was terrified and didn’t know what to do

[albytb]

Outside of gadgets: water breaks, walk breaks, not riding in indoors with zero airflow, SHADE (so many outdoor arenas have like zero shade!!!)

[MHM]

@MsM

Are those rings that fit around the neck I see advertised

The what, now?

[NoSuchPerson]

@crackerjack

Ok so you don’t believe in climate change.

That is not true. Climate is always changing - on a cycle. Look at the Greenland ice core temperature data for the past 10,000 years and that is clear.

And yes, we are currently in a warming phase recovering from the last ice age, although the curve is not nearly as steep as that graph nutmeg posted suggests. It’s happening very slowly and there are still shorter cycles (<100 years) within that increase, which is what I posted about. You’ve got, for example, the El Nino-Southern Oscillation (ENSO), the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), and solar cycles.

You seem to be under the impression that if one doesn’t fervently “believe” in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, then one must be a “climate denier” who doesn’t “believe” in global warming. In truth, there is a wide gap between those two positions and that gap is full of real scientists and informed individuals who realize that neither of those fringe positions are supported by real science.

[Peggy]

@clanter

• the National Weather Service (NWS) is moving its official downtown weather observation station from the University of Southern California (USC) to the Frank Hotchkin Memorial Training Center at Dodger Stadium.
• The relocation is because the USC site is located about 10 miles from the Pacific Ocean, which can affect temperature,

Topography plays a massive role in LA area weather as it’s not just distance from the ocean but what mountains are in the way. The direction of prevailing winds also plays a role. The differences are much larger in the summer. Anyone who wants proof of that can drive the 405 down the Sepulveda Pass from the San Fernando Valley to West LA on a warm summer afternoon and observe the temperature drop.

That may be a factor in the difference between USC and Dodger Stadium.

[appypaint]

In spite of such results, public opinion polls as well as opinions of politicians and public representatives point to false beliefs and claims that a significant debate still exists among scientists over the true cause of climate change. In 2016, the Pew Research Center found that only 27% of U.S. adults believe that “almost all” scientists agreed that climate change is due to human activity, according to the paper.

More than 99.9% of studies agree: Humans caused climate change | Cornell...

With that said, multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.

Scientific Consensus - NASA Science

We find that agreement on anthropogenic global warming is high (91% to 100%) and generally increases with expertise. Out of a group of 153 independently confirmed climate experts, 98.7% of those scientists indicated that the Earth is getting warmer mostly because of human activity such as burning fossil fuels. Among those with the highest level of expertise (independently confirmed climate experts who each published 20+ peer reviewed papers on climate change between 2015 and 2019) there was 100% agreement that the Earth is warming mostly because of human activity.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2774

[Amberley]

@NoSuchPerson

You seem to be under the impression that if one doesn’t fervently “believe” in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, then one must be a “climate denier” who doesn’t “believe” in global warming. In truth, there is a wide gap between those two positions and that gap is full of real scientists

Yeah that doesn’t exist. Numerous studies and surveys show that less than 1% of scientists do not accept the evidence supporting the theory of anthropogenic climate change.

Anyway it doesn’t matter- there is nothing to believe, you don’t need to believe in cancer for it to kill you. The climate is warming rapidly and what’s scarier is the rise in atmospheric CO2 which is unprecedented in the climate records. Those are all very measurable and you can find the raw data and make your own graph and the trend will be exactly the same. It’s going to kill almost all of us at best and all of us and most wildlife at worst if we don’t stop it but I think people are unfortunately too irrational and yes, kinda dumb, to do that so we’ll just die.

[crackerjack]

Ok.

[nutmeg]

Circling back to Aachen to keep it horse related, it is now 92 at 7 pm there, going up to 96 tomorrow. My pick Royal Juror SCF came third in the Youngster Cup, woot woot! I hope the Chronicle has a reporter on-site to tell us how the US team is faring in the heat.

[Amberley]

I can’t imagine being stuck in one of the old hotels in Aachen in 95 degree weather.

[NoSuchPerson]

@Amberley

Numerous studies and surveys show that less than 1% of scientists do not accept the evidence supporting the theory of anthropogenic climate change.

That’s not as meaningful as you seem to believe.

Do most scientists accept that the climate is changing? Yes.

Do most scientists accept that human activities have an impact on climate change? Yes.

Where it falls apart is in the details. What those literature reviews do not quantify (because they know it will ruin their argument) is what scientists say about how much of the warming can be attributed to human activity and whether or not the observed warming is significant when compared to historical long-term (thousands of years) temperatures.

Whilst there is almost total scientific consensus that climate change is ‘real’ and happening and that there has been some human-caused influence, there is no such scientific consensus over the extent of the human-caused influence and whether or not it could reasonably be described as ‘dangerous’, let alone a ‘crisis’.

From a book by Iain Aitken (Australian author and climate analyst)

Another good reference: Why Scientists Disagree About Global Warming (2015) by Craig D. Idso, Robert M. Carter, and S. Fred Singer

And while this has been fun, I’m off to do real life stuff for the rest of the week, so I’m done here. Standard disclaimer: Failure to reply to a post does not imply agreement or endorsement.

[appypaint]

Additional info, for the curious

WMO’s State of the Global Climate report confirmed that 2024 was likely the first calendar year to be more than 1.5°C above the pre-industrial era, with a global mean near-surface temperature of 1.55 ± 0.13 °C above the 1850-1900 average. This is the warmest year in the 175-year observational record.

WMO’s flagship report showed that:

• Atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide are at the highest levels in the last 800,000 years.
• Globally each of the past ten years were individually the ten warmest years on record.
• Each of the past eight years has set a new record for ocean heat content.
• The 18 lowest Arctic sea-ice extents on record were all in the past 18 years.
• The three lowest Antarctic ice extents were in the past three years.
• The largest three-year loss of glacier mass on record occurred in the past three years.
• The rate of sea level rise has doubled since satellite measurements began.

https://wmo.int/news/media-centre/wmo-report-documents-spiralling-weather-and-climate-impacts

“As we reconstructed past climates, we could see long-term course changes quite well. We also knew there should be finer-scale rhythmic variability due to orbital variations, but for a long time it was considered impossible to recover that signal,” Zachos said. “Now that we have succeeded in capturing the natural climate variability, we can see that the projected anthropogenic warming will be much greater than that.”

For the past 3 million years, Earth’s climate has been in an Icehouse state characterized by alternating glacial and interglacial periods. Modern humans evolved during this time, but greenhouse gas emissions and other human activities are now driving the planet toward the Warmhouse and Hothouse climate states not seen since the Eocene epoch, which ended about 34 million years ago.

https://phys.org/news/2020-09-high-fidelity-earth-climate-history-current.html

[Annie10]

Those cool rings, neckerchiefs etc that you cool and put around your neck work very well. Anything you can put there to cool off your carotids and the blood going to your brain helps. My husband laughs when i Mow because I soak an old towel in cold water and put it over my head while I’m mowing. It looks stupid but it makes a huge difference.

[Amberley]

Please. Everyone from all individual states, every professional association in science and engineering, the US army and Navy to third world villages and large corporations are planning, designing and building very expensive infrastructure to try and mitigate the impacts. The only people who work in science and deny climate change are total kooks. Or being paid to. Or so old they don’t care. We’ve been designing and building with climate change in mind for an entire generation now. It’s beyond arguing about.

To keep it horse related WEC built an indoor air conditioned horse show facility in Florida. That’s new. We didn’t need that 40 years ago. I think we will see more and more of those being built.

[blondewithchrome]

Chiming in very late here, but here in Zone 3 yes the July and August shows are downright brutal in the heat, but rarely days are cancelled. However do folks remember two or three summers ago, Upperville cancelled classes due to poor air quality at USEFs behest?? That was weather related, but moving the classes to start at 7am wouldn’t have made it any better. I had not seen a show cancel due to smog/air quality in my 20+ years of USEF showing - and certainly today not seeing USEF shows cancel days due to high heat index.

[enjoytheride]

@Amberley

To keep it horse related WEC built an indoor air conditioned horse show facility in Florida. That’s new. We didn’t need that 40 years ago. I think we will see more and more of those being built.

This has nothing to do with climate change.

Florida has been shifting from seasonal residents to permanent residents, with fewer people leaving FL in the summer to show in cooler states. Florida is great in January, not so much in July. Their show season used to end when summer started, with fewer to zero shows in the summer. The influx of permanent residents still want to show year round, thus the need for more indoor facilities.

[Amberley]

It absolutely has to do with in climate change. Florida is warming fast, at least 30% more than the global average and ever increasing in recent decades. No one would have paid to show at an indoor facility because of the heat 20 years ago.

And why are more horse people staying in Florida year round? Because it’s almost as hot on the entire eastern seaboard in the summer these days as it was on Florida in the 80s. The benefit of maintaining two facilities for cooler summers is gone or going fast unless you have one north of Albany.

[enjoytheride]

I understand you want everything to be related to climate change, and I am not arguing that climate change does not exist, but people are staying in FL year round due to the accessibility of horse shows and trainers. Here in the Midwest it’s a 2 hour drive to a top class facility and I have to stable and stay for several days and almost everything shuts down after October. In FL you can haul 20 minutes and then haul home again in the evening. That is why WEC built a new indoor with AC, to capitalize on the people who are permanent residents and want to show during FL summers. FL summer used to be their off season, but now people are living there wanting to show year round.

[kaya842]

More to the topic - there was a schooling show (a UDJC one at that) held in our area two weeks ago during which time we were under an Extreme Heat Warning with heat indexes up to 110. While our area can and does get that hot on occasion, it jumped from low 80s straight to that so, IMO, no one and no animal was acclimated. A fellow barn mate actually brought up the show and was asking my thoughts on them running it in the heat at a facility known for being hot AF on a good day. Personally, I think if there is an official advisory that says to limit/ reduce/ stop outdoor activities that shows (and other outdoor events) should be cancelled. Should riders / trainers / owners be able to make the decision themselves? I argue some are not the smartest and put themselves and their horse in danger unnecessarily. I know plenty of boots and saddle club type shows that cancel due to heat and plenty that have restructured their shows to start in the afternoon and run into the evening due to the heat. There are no mega shows near me (closest is WEC Ohio which is indoors so not really an issue?) but I doubt any of them will make changes as long as paying customers are still showing up.

I think/ hope we will see a shift in different parts of the country to a “new normal” with the show season maybe running Sept/ Oct -April/ May (instead of April - Oct) since July, August, and now most of June are so miserable.

I have been looking at trying one of the ice neck ring things too but haven’t ordered it yet. Not sure how long it would actually stay cold.

[DMK]

@nutmeg

My pick Royal Juror SCF came third in the Youngster Cup

That Rural Juror tyvm. Give yourself bonus points if you get the reference. I genuinely snorted, someone has a healthy sense of humor