NCAA Drops Equestrian As "Emerging Sport" - What Now?

[QUOTE=poltroon;7808087]
Suffice it to say that if the goal is to pay for college, probably better to just put the money in a college fund.[/QUOTE]

Friend of my son was an outstanding prep golfer - state championship caliber and top placings in junior tournaments. He “verbally committed” to the state flagship university as a freshman in high school and has since matriculated there where he plays on the varsity golf team. I was shocked to find out that his golf scholarship freshman year was actually 1/8 of a full scholarship - because the golf program doesn’t get that many scholarships to hand out.

The point being that even if your kid is an elite prep athlete, if he/she doesn’t participate in the big money sports, you better have money in that college fund.

I also wonder if this will have any sort of impact on the schools with the top NCAA equestrian programs. I’m curious how it would impact funding and scholarships. Schools clearly didn’t have to convert their IHSA clubs to NCAA sports if they didn’t want to and could otherwise comply with Title IX, or else we’d have a lot more NCAA equestrian teams. For example, where I went to college, they already had women’s soccer as a varsity sport. Next on the list for adding a women’s team was going to be crew (which was club). Equestrian sports were so far down the list according to the athletic dept when I was there…and I don’t think anything has changed. So, I wonder for the schools who did make equestrian sports a priority, what will happen? Will all the teams suddenly disappear? Seems unlikely to me, even if some like K State decide to cut their team.

Honestly, if NCAA governance is dropped, that could be a good thing. For one, then you don’t have to worry about getting prize money at a horse show.

[QUOTE=Metropolitan;7808073]
But the talent has to be noticed by recruiters: therefore, huge financial commitment to travel. Travel teams, combines, tournaments around the country, etc. are de rigeur to be recruited for soccer, basketball etc. at the DI/II level.

Without having to feed a sports ball, soccer and others will never be as costly as riding, but the scale of financial (and time) commitment is similar to eq finals. The exceptions would be sports like swimming or track where fast times at a regular high school meets can get you noticed, but there’s a growing focus on the ($$$) club/regional/travel teams there too.

Edited to add, I think this expectation is absurd across all sports - my point is just that it’s not exclusive to riding as a varsity sport.[/QUOTE]

I think the costs still can’t be compared. To lease a horse and get to finals, you’re looking at a cost that just can’t be compared. Unless you buy your child their own soccer stadium, you could cover all those costs just for what it costs to go to WEF for the circuit.

The travel costs, yeah, sure, but the up front investment of $50-100k a year just to lease the horse isn’t comparable.

From a post by the Kansas Horse Council:

We received notice this morning in a letter sent from the NCAA Committee on Women’s Athletics Chair, Tim Hall, to the National Collegiate Equestrian Association at Baylor University in Waco, TX, that the NCAA Committee on Women’s Athletics has already voted to recommend removal of equestrian from the list of emerging sports for women in Divisions I and II. Following is the full text of that letter explaining their decision:

"On behalf of the NCAA Committee on Women’s Athletics (CWA) I want to thank you and your colleagues for submitting a strategic action plan for the committee’s review related to how the emerging sport of equestrian can advance to championship-level sponsorship. Given NCAA legislative requirements and committee responsibilities and policy, the committee has been considering the status of the sport for the last several years. In addition to this review, the committee has considered the lack of sponsorship in all three divisions, conversations with the National Collegiate Equestrian Association (NCEA) and discussions with athletic directors with varsity equestrian programs. Based on this information, the committee has voted to recommend removal of equestrian from the list of emerging sports for women in Divisions I and II.

The emerging sports for women program identifies sports that both hold the promise of increased participation opportunities for women and that the membership considers appropriate potential additions to NCAA championship sports offerings. NCAA rules provide certain benefits with emerging sport status as well as expectations for sponsorship growth. Legislation allows 10 years for a sport to reach a reduced championship sponsorship target of 40 schools. The legislation also allows for exceptions to that time limit for steady growth. Equestrian reached its ten year limit in 2012, and the committee, in anticipation of that milestone, began examining sponsorship progress in the years preceding.

The committee and national office staff have attempted to sponsor legislation (2008) and seek Division III leadership support (2013-14) to persuade that division to recognize equestrian as an emerging sport. However, Division III is not supportive of the change. Additionally, growth in Divisions I and II have stalled at 23 institutions for the last three reporting years, leaving no argument for steady growth towards the target of 40. While the committee greatly appreciates the effort of the NCEA to grow sponsorship, the strategic focus on Division III recognition and overcoming misconceptions about programmatic costs did not persuade the committee that sponsorship trends will improve or that championship level sponsorship can be achieved.

The committee will report its recommendation to Division I leadership council and Divisions II and III management councils this fall. A legislative proposal will be requested for the 2015-16 NCAA legislative cycle with an anticipated effective date of August 1, 2017.

Removal from the emerging sports list and NCAA legislation does not preclude member institutions from sponsoring the sport as varsity or counting the sport in its gender equity efforts, although Title IX compliance should be discussed directly with the Office for Civil Rights. If adopted, equestrian programs would no longer be subject to NCAA rules nor would the sport count towards minimum sports sponsorship requirements per Bylaw 20.9.6. Sports sponsorship financial benefits will not apply to the sponsorship of a sport not listed as NCAA championship or emerging. CWA policy allows a sport to seek a return to emerging sport status after removal after at least a 12 month waiting period. The typical proposal process would be in effect, though the minimum letters of commitment increases from 10 to 15.

The committee recognizes that this is disappointing news for the NCEA and schools currently sponsoring the sport. On behalf of the faculty, administrators and student-athletes from all three divisions who serve on CWA, I want to thank you for your efforts to grow the sport, and hope those that continue to offer the sport can increase its visibility and sponsorship support."

Tim Hall, chair
NCAA Committee on Women’s Athletics


I would also like to add, I am a graduate of K-State and competed on the Equestrian team all four years I was there (05-06 to 08-09) and competed at Nationals all four years.

While I am sad that Equestrian can not work as a true varsity sport, I have to admit I am not surprised. It is a sport that is very inaccessible to the majority of people in the US. Additionally, while it is nice to have the option to ride in college, equestrian teams in general do not have the same relevance to the professional equestrian world, whereas other college level sports are pre-Olympic caliber, college equestrians are actually competing below the level of the “top” juniors in the country.

I would also like to state my opinion that I am disappointed that the program has become just as contrived as the “regular” horse show world. Initially I was always sold on the idea that the benefit was it didn’t matter how much money you had, what your name was, or how fancy your horse was. Now, the unspoken “requirements” for getting on a top level team are successful campaigns in AA shows and medals, plus medal finals. Yes, it isn’t as hard to get on a newer team or a team at a smaller school, but I chose my school because I grew up in Kansas and love it here, however if I were to apply in the last few years, there’s no way I would make it in… because I showed only in my region and only in the Junior Hunters. My horse wasn’t an Eq horse and he reminded me of that pretty promptly if we tried anything too tricky! :lol:

That’s my brief round up of my thoughts, there are several more in my head that just won’t come out in a straight line. I will end by saying I cherish the 4 years I spent on the team and would do it again at the drop of a hat.

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ncaa would be fantastic and probably draw more interest if they didnt basically make a 300k investment in campaigning the eq a minimum unwritten requirement for recruitment. the reason sports like baseball, soccer, etc are popular is that youre recruit by talent, not how much money you spent on equipment to get you there.[/QUOTE]

Not true with all riders. My daughter was recruited by five NCAA D1 Schools. She was a working student who did not even own her own horse her last four years as a junior rider. She is on full scholarship, but part is academic and part is athletic. There are pros and cons with being on a team, but the pros totally out weigh the cons in my opinion. Athletes get priority registration, get their books for free, get free workout and riding attire, and get free admission to all athletic events.

[QUOTE=PonyPenny;7808260]
There are pros and cons with being on a team, but the pros totally out weigh the cons in my opinion. Athletes get priority registration, get their books for free, get free workout and riding attire, and get free admission to all athletic events.[/QUOTE]

This depends on the school. I knew plenty of NCAA varsity athletes at my D1 school, and if they weren’t in the school’s top sports (e.g., men’s basketball at my school), then while they did get team clothing, they did not necessarily hit the registration lottery jackpot nor did they get their books for free. Some of them also didn’t get any scholarship money, at least not for all four years (and it wasn’t a grades probation thing or similar) because of how funds are allocated among the varsity sports. And some of these were athletes who did quite well in their conference and nationally. I don’t think that every school with an NCAA equestrian team is necessarily offering a super sweet deal for the athlete.

There is a vote scheduled October 20th - this Monday. If everyone would email Tim Hall and show their support for keeping the NCAA Equestrian Division sport. This was posted on an open FB Group today:

Hello my name is Caroline Foltz. I graduated from Delaware State University in 2012 and was captain of our NCAA Equestrian Team where I competed as a Hunt Seat Rider. On October 20th, 2014 the NCAA committee on Women’s Athletics are putting in a vote to drop Intercollegiate Equestrian as a NCAA Division sport. If you could please show us support, it would be wonderful. Please send an email to the committee chairman Tom Hall at halltw@umbc.edu letting him know you do NOT want to see the sport of Equestrian removed from NCAA competition. This sport not only gives opportunities to women who love horses and want to ride, but pays 100% for lessons, competitions, travel and even scholarships. That is right, your daughter, granddaughter, niece, etc. could one day graduate DEBT FREE with a college education thanks to this program. If you want further details, please email me, or message me on here. My email address is cfoltz22@gmail.com. This sport is a part of my heart. I know for all the other girls on my team and on other Division 1 teams, it’s the same. We are a family. Please help us take a stand! Don’t let us lose this wonderful sport.

[QUOTE=mortgagemyhorse;7808119]
This makes me sad but the NCAA Equestrian teams do not generate money for these schools and sports are a business. Especially because the best Eq teams are also the schools with the best Football Programs (you can quote me on that :wink: ) and at those schools people really don’t care about anything but Football (and Basketball…) Where I went Gymnastics was probably the #2 money making sport.

I had a great experience riding NCAA coupled with some not-so-great moments. Anyone can PM me if you want.[/QUOTE]

They aren’t expected to generate money. Only the big-money sports like basketball and football do that. These sports bankroll the rest of the athletic programs at most schools with big-time sports. However, I agree that equestrian programs are expensive, more expensive than, say, women’s swimming or soccer, and as such, they are a target for cuts.

[QUOTE=Groom&Taxi;7808128]
Friend of my son was an outstanding prep golfer - state championship caliber and top placings in junior tournaments. He “verbally committed” to the state flagship university as a freshman in high school and has since matriculated there where he plays on the varsity golf team. I was shocked to find out that his golf scholarship freshman year was actually 1/8 of a full scholarship - because the golf program doesn’t get that many scholarships to hand out.

The point being that even if your kid is an elite prep athlete, if he/she doesn’t participate in the big money sports, you better have money in that college fund.[/QUOTE]

The only two NCAA sports where everyone on the team gets a full ride are football and basketball. Other sports have a maximum number, and that is only if the school fully funds the sport. Men’s lacrosse has a maximum of 12.6 for a fully funded program; probably only 1/4 of the schools that participate in that sport are fully funded. There are between 35-45 on the team. You do the math (and there will be a few superstars that do get the full rides so that makes less $ for everyone else).
Equestrian has 15 scholarships per team. Some get a full ride, some get book money and some get the privilege of being on the team but no $. Keep investing in that 529 account. :slight_smile:

Eilsel summed it up pretty well. I’m also like her in that I would NOT be recruited in the current world, as I mostly rode hunters.

But yeah, if you are a rider without significant big eq experience (read: ribbons at finals), expect to maybe warm up horses at home competitions and basically get free riding lessons on horses that, well, for my school were pretty darn bad. For some people, maybe that’s worth getting priority scheduling and access to athletic training or a weight room, but if you’re looking to offset the costs of riding as a junior with an athletic scholarship, I don’t think that’s very smart.

[QUOTE=Dewey;7808385]
They aren’t expected to generate money. Only the big-money sports like basketball and football do that. These sports bankroll the rest of the athletic programs at most schools with big-time sports. However, I agree that equestrian programs are expensive, more expensive than, say, women’s swimming or soccer, and as such, they are a target for cuts.[/QUOTE]

Truth!

[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7808478]
Eilsel summed it up pretty well. I’m also like her in that I would NOT be recruited in the current world, as I mostly rode hunters.

But yeah, if you are a rider without significant big eq experience (read: ribbons at finals), expect to maybe warm up horses at home competitions and basically get free riding lessons on horses that, well, for my school were pretty darn bad. For some people, maybe that’s worth getting priority scheduling and access to athletic training or a weight room, but if you’re looking to offset the costs of riding as a junior with an athletic scholarship, I don’t think that’s very smart.[/QUOTE]

That may be true, but my daughter gets her college paid for and gets to ride, maybe not show as much as she likes, but she gets three jumping lessons per week. She will graduate debt free from college and still has a fancy hunter to ride and show at home if she wants. Doing any sport at a D1 school takes a lot of commitment and time management. Many athletes do not get to compete much and that includes football and basketball. It is hard for many to understand the team concept since riding is such an individual sport as a junior. Being a warm-up rider instead of a competition rider may be a hard pill for some to swallow, but if your warm up makes the horse go well for the rider and your team wins its point, then you did your job and helped the team.

Also remember the 15 scholarships include western horsemanship and reining, so it is not just about hunt seat riders.

[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7808478]
Eilsel summed it up pretty well. I’m also like her in that I would NOT be recruited in the current world, as I mostly rode hunters.

But yeah, if you are a rider without significant big eq experience (read: ribbons at finals), expect to maybe warm up horses at home competitions and basically get free riding lessons on horses that, well, for my school were pretty darn bad. For some people, maybe that’s worth getting priority scheduling and access to athletic training or a weight room, but if you’re looking to offset the costs of riding as a junior with an athletic scholarship, I don’t think that’s very smart.[/QUOTE]

That may be true, but my daughter gets her college paid for and gets to ride, maybe not show as much as she likes, but she gets three jumping lessons per week. She will graduate debt free from college and still has a fancy hunter to ride and show at home if she wants. Doing any sport at a D1 school takes a lot of commitment and time management. Many athletes do not get to compete much and that includes football and basketball. It is hard for many to understand the team concept since riding is such an individual sport as a junior. Being a warm-up rider instead of a competition rider may be a hard pill for some to swallow, but if your warm up makes the horse go well for the rider and your team wins its point, then you did your job and helped the team.

Also remember the 15 scholarships include western horsemanship and reining, so it is not just about hunt seat riders.

There are always going to be horses at Texas A&M, so all of you need to come to College Station

Nearly $100M invested recently on new equine complexes
http://equine.tamu.edu/facilities/

[QUOTE=Metropolitan;7808073]
But the talent has to be noticed by recruiters: therefore, huge financial commitment to travel. Travel teams, combines, tournaments around the country, etc. are de rigeur to be recruited for soccer, basketball etc. at the DI/II level.

Without having to feed a sports ball, soccer and others will never be as costly as riding, but the scale of financial (and time) commitment is similar to eq finals. The exceptions would be sports like swimming or track where fast times at a regular high school meets can get you noticed, but there’s a growing focus on the ($$$) club/regional/travel teams there too.

Edited to add, I think this expectation is absurd across all sports - my point is just that it’s not exclusive to riding as a varsity sport.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, that’s what many people think. It is absolutely untrue when it comes to baseball despite the parents being conned into spending huge amounts of money - and I suspect it’s untrue in the other sports where it’s claimed to be necessary as well.

Your daughter’s very lucky if she feels that her three weekly lessons are good. That’s another thing – I personally don’t feel the quality of the coaches is all that great. I mean, you’re never going to get a truly good professional to leave their personal program to go coach an NCAA team.

[QUOTE=PonyPenny;7808616]
That may be true, but my daughter gets her college paid for and gets to ride, maybe not show as much as she likes, but she gets three jumping lessons per week. She will graduate debt free from college and still has a fancy hunter to ride and show at home if she wants. Doing any sport at a D1 school takes a lot of commitment and time management. Many athletes do not get to compete much and that includes football and basketball. It is hard for many to understand the team concept since riding is such an individual sport as a junior. Being a warm-up rider instead of a competition rider may be a hard pill for some to swallow, but if your warm up makes the horse go well for the rider and your team wins its point, then you did your job and helped the team.

Also remember the 15 scholarships include western horsemanship and reining, so it is not just about hunt seat riders.[/QUOTE]

Having 3 lessons a week and a nice horse still at home waiting for her is a HUGE anomaly. Not only will my horse be sold before college, but I’ve never taken that many lessons a week. As a person with a non-extraordinary family income, I can only afford one horse, and I’m not going to make him jump around that often.

For kids like me, who’s choice was a greener but nice horse and the chance to campaign in the children’s and pregreens, there are no spots on the teams. This is despite years of riding greener horses and riding additional horses whenever they’re available. Unfortunately, not everyone gets given an opportunity to be a working student or has the funds to campaign the 3’6", even if they’ve put in all the “hard work” and “ambition”. When there are no local trainers that have extra horses for a working student and you can’t give up school to work out of town, I’m not going to ask them to give up money they don’t have to get me on a 3’6" eq horse. That’s why NCAA’s not feasible, because the equitation and hunter/jumper sport has been so diluted to a game of money, natural talent, and luck, that NCAA and NCEA cannot make the funding poof out of no where.

We only had one jumping lesson a week and one flat lesson a week, unless the individual was showing.

We went through a few coaches, some good, some meh-it never negatively impacted my riding. However, the best coaching/advice I got was from my teammates-many are now very sucessful professionals.

If you want to look at all the freebies: free riding lessons, pilates class, gym membership+personal trainer (we did weight lifting and conditioning…similar to crossfit…so free crossfit and free spinning), therapy, sports medicine, tutors, clothes, books, post college prep seminars, list goes on and on.

That’s a lot. That’s a sweet deal. I cannot afford ANY of those things right now. I wish the 27 year old me could go tell 19 year old me to stop complaining about all of the above.

I am simply just listing the freebies, haven’t even delved into what it meant to me to be part of a team, a student-athlete, yada yad, I could write an essay.

In other news, colleges are now spending money to build facilities and recruit video game players for competitive video game competitions. It’s the ultimate manifestation of “Revenge of The Nerds”!

[QUOTE=FlyingColorsHJ;7808069]
Washington and Lee University’s IHSA team is a varsity sports team.

I’m a proud alumna from the days before W&L had a riding team at all![/QUOTE]

But I do not believe that W& L supplied scholarship money for recruits, as NCaa/ NCEA has done