Need help with cat who has food allergy and itchy ears...

[QUOTE=Coanteen;7951010]
But it is weird that all of OP vet friends (ok, all might be like 2 in that case) have pushed Science Diet, and told her Blue is bad.
Comparing the ingredient list of the Blue and SD grain-free varieties, they’re very similar. I’d love to know what makes Blue so bad in these vets’ opinions, or SD so superior.[/QUOTE]

It depends on the situation.
If you want to eliminate grains…Sci Diet doesn’t do that, in general. Blue might provide that.
But…
MOST food allergies ARE NOT CAUSED BY GRAINS. People don’t get that. So, if you want a hypoallergenic diet…that has a novel protein source…finding something in a normal pet food store might be challenging. Science Diet does have several novel protein diets and z/d, which is a hypoallergenic (hydrolyzed) diet. Hill’s (Sci Diet) isn’t the only one who has those lines. Royal Canin and Purina do too.
For an animal with suspected food allergies, sometimes going to a hypoallergenic diet like Purina HA or Hill’s z/d is the only way you can confirm an allergy. Like, wipe the slate clean. And for many, compliance is the issue. The concept of a novel protein diet can escape them.

Why the distrust of Blue? Little funding into research/development, recent investigations that show their diet’s guaranteed analysis doesn’t always match.
Anecdotal evidence, maybe?
I’ve had many people complain it gave their dogs terrible diarrhea.

On the flipside, why do you endorse Blue over other commercially-available diets?

I don’t know. I work in emergency. Honestly, unless people are feeding a purely human food-based diet with no consideration for any sort of nutritional balance (and trust me there are people who think whatever they eat that night is fine for the dog), I don’t talk about food that much. It’s not my main concern, as an emergency doctor. I tell people to feed their animal a high-quality food and if they do well on it to stick with it. If they aren’t happy with their food or their animal isn’t doing well on it, then change. Not all animals are going to universally do well on a particular food, the same way that all people can eat the same foods.

Mostly though, to answer your question, I think is the brand distrust for a brand that hasn’t been around for a long time that has no studies or diet trials to back their claims. Using those diets to treat specific medical conditions is hard to get behind especially when there are diets out there that will.

Another part of it is the client base. You and most of the people on this board are well-educated enough about basic animal care that you can critically evaluate the situation and ask relevant questions. I have clients that just don’t have that level of comprehension or that don’t care to. They love their pets dearly, but they can’t understand why the diet choice is important. When elderly Mr. Jones’s dear Pomeranian needs to lose weight so his back and knees stop bothering him, it’s far easier to prescribe a “prescription” low-calorie food when you KNOW he will continue feeding him table scraps despite your nagging. At least this way you’re helping the dog, somewhat. Unless you take Mr. Jones to the pet store yourself and guide him to each food, he is not going to spend the time to read labels, let alone pick a diet that is appropriate. He buys Beneful because the cute dog on TV looks so happy and it’s conveniently found at the grocery store. This is one example of a simple situation where a “prescription” food can help.

Vets CAN think for themselves and aren’t necessarily fooled by gimmicks or marketing. A free lunch from a food company isn’t memorable enough to change or persuade that. (You think the same thing isn’t happening from pharmaceutical companies??? They’re FAR worse…)

Anyway, that’s a huge tangent. I can’t speak for the entire veterinary community/population, as some of us probably aren’t as up to date on current thinking as some of us newer grads, but I just wanted to offer some ideas from my side of the coin. Carry on.

I’d go for raw! Do the premade or make your own. If you are weary about raw, start with half grain free, half raw. It will take time to see a difference, but I bet you would see one. Try to go 100% raw if you can. My dog is half/half, with a high quality grain free kibble. I wish I could do 100% raw, but it does get pricey. The best best is to find a local butcher shop. I have also coated a small amount of Coconut Oil inside of my dog’s ear when she gets fussy with it. It helps tremendously. Just do your research and it may help your kitty too.

[QUOTE=Pancakes;7952533]
I am a practicing DVM. I attend multiple conferences a year. I do not own my clinic. Our hospital has a deal with Iams right now, actually, since they feed our blood donor animals for free in exchange for us using their products “in-house” but all of our clinicians will recommend a food for our patients based on our own assessment of the needs of that patient. We all have our own preferences.

I have friends, however, who own and run their own practices, and their loans aren’t being paid off either…[/QUOTE]

ahhhh, yes, as you just said, ‘a deal…’

[QUOTE=owlbynite;7964866]
ahhhh, yes, as you just said, ‘a deal…’[/QUOTE]

I work in a vet clinic also. There is NO deal. Our clinic uses Science Diet, Iams , Purina and Royal Canin veterinary diets for specific conditions. Otherwise, it is feed any food that the owner feels that works for the pet. We have clients that feed the dreaded Beneful and their pets do just fine.

I live by the rule - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If your cat is doing well on Science Diet why change?

Only other advice I can offer is avoid Natural Balance like the plague. My poor little Tessa developed a hideous skin allergy on their food. It looked like she had been scorched from the inside. Poor little critter. Also, maybe check out Anitra Frazier’s the New Natural Cat. It might have some helpful suggestions.

Yes. The blood donor dogs get fed Iams and the people who enroll their dogs and cats as blood donors get a free bag of Iams.

It’s not like we encourage our clients to buy that, though…the blood donors can throw it away, for all we care. Most people would contribute to the program even if they didn’t get anything in return.

It’s not like it’s going in my pocket, geez.
Owlbynite, go talk about something that you actually know about…

[QUOTE=owlbynite;7964866]
ahhhh, yes, as you just said, ‘a deal…’[/QUOTE]

Wow, you’re really something, aren’t you?

Yes. The blood donor dogs get fed Iams and the people who enroll their dogs and cats as blood donors get a free bag of Iams.

It’s not like we encourage our clients to buy that, though…the blood donors can throw it away, for all we care. Most people would contribute to the program even if they didn’t get anything in return.

We carry Iams “In-house” as well as Purina, Hill’s, Royal Canin, and multiple other brands of food. No deals, no exchanges.
We do NOT SELL FOOD to clients.

It’s not like it’s going in my pocket, or anyone else’s.

[QUOTE=Pancakes;7970633]
Wow, you’re really something, aren’t you?[/QUOTE]

All that and a bag of chips!

Product placement is not particularly new or nefarious and pretty much never rises to the level of covering a student loan (although I can imagine quite a few vets who would love the opportunity to have it on the table!)

I feed my cats a blend of raw, TOTW dry and coughcough friskies pate. They get about half their calories in raw rabbit and then in the PM they get some dry TOTW and friskies pate (one of the small cans split between 47lbs of cats - not exactly overwhelming them w/meat byproducts and rice).

Part of my logic is that if they do ever need to be boarded for whatever reason, this makes transition off raw easier/safer. The other reason is raw rabbit is freaking expensive. Oh yes, and it is much easier for my pet sitter to come once a day, feed dry+canned and put out frozen rabbit chunks for their other meal of the day.

But if you do need to try a novel protein/raw, I highly recommend Hare Today (gone tomorrow). They ship to most every place except west coast, and I have been very impressed with their service.

[QUOTE=DMK;7971875]
All that and a bag of chips!

Product placement is not particularly new or nefarious and pretty much never rises to the level of covering a student loan (although I can imagine quite a few vets who would love the opportunity to have it on the table!)

I feed my cats a blend of raw, TOTW dry and coughcough friskies pate. They get about half their calories in raw rabbit and then in the PM they get some dry TOTW and friskies pate (one of the small cans split between 47lbs of cats - not exactly overwhelming them w/meat byproducts and rice).

Part of my logic is that if they do ever need to be boarded for whatever reason, this makes transition off raw easier/safer. The other reason is raw rabbit is freaking expensive. Oh yes, and it is much easier for my pet sitter to come once a day, feed dry+canned and put out frozen rabbit chunks for their other meal of the day.

But if you do need to try a novel protein/raw, I highly recommend Hare Today (gone tomorrow). They ship to most every place except west coast, and I have been very impressed with their service.[/QUOTE]

Well, guess my former boss in the food industry is a liar (and that’s why he’s a former boss.)

Your boss thought you weren’t all that and a bag of chips? I’m sorry. News like that can be crushing. It might even drive a person to a traditional color font…

[QUOTE=DMK;7984781]
Your boss thought you weren’t all that and a bag of chips? I’m sorry. News like that can be crushing. It might even drive a person to a traditional color font…[/QUOTE]

tradition? green is the color of the $1/3 million plus they’re paying me for life now which bought me a nice 4-bedroom home in a desirable community free and clear and that doesn’t include the future medical (add another $10,000 a year) plus annuities. And a bag of chips is an insult; for junk food eaters, kids and cheapskates. how about some fine cheese and wine? go big or go home! I’m not the one who got crushed! so much for tradition and so sorry for you, my friend. To my former corporation, I’m the f*#%in’ employee of several decades! What a distinction. I laugh all the way to the bank and they can kiss my a**. I find this forum soooo full of idiots. Ban me, mods!

Obviously “oversharing crap we probably do not care about” is in the mix in your plethora of damages worthy dx.

Is anyone else having a leaky sailboat flashback? .

We removed some inappropriate commentary and addressed it privately.

Back to the main topic please.
Mod 1

geez guys. lol. I leave for a bit and come back to a scary post from the Mods!!

So of course this topic is always on my mind. I’m glad I saw the title today and came back to read all the helpful posts!

When when feeding a raw diet, how do you work fat into the diet? Does raw meat cover everything thing they need?

And yes, an allergist has crossed my mind. Glad someone mentioned it because sometimes I feel crazy over what I’ll do for my cat. lol. but he’s not just a cat, he’s more like a little dude in the family.

LOL the thread definitely took a turn for the weird. I was wondering if lunging at Devon was the next topic for discussion… So raw food - if it is right for your cat, it’s probably best to feed whole raw food that comes as the entire animal (ground or chunky). Or mostly whole, anyway - at that point the animal has whatever fat content it naturally comes with. In the case of rabbit, that is fairly lean and lower caloric value. Chicken is higher fat/higher calories.

I feed a mix of rabbit and chicken - it’s skinned/plucked and has some organs removed, but it’s bone, heart, lung and muscle ground up. It’s considered a complete nutritious diet with possibly the only thing you may need to add is a taurine supp if you feed exclusively raw. In reading up on it, there is some question as to whether freezing/storing + not complete animal may impact taurine levels. But I feed a mix of commercial plus raw so I am not too worried.

Here’s the place I order from (And I’m in Atlanta with no problem getting it cold and delivered and they are very good about knowing how close/far they can deliver) - lots of helpful stuff on this website about cats and just for grins, read the FAQs!

https://www.hare-today.com/

and here is great info on how to transition to a raw diet
http://feline-nutrition.org/nutrition/how-to-transition-your-cat-to-a-raw-diet

Some cats are just meh about raw and for my older ones who started in the free choice dry world and had to be bought around to wet first (begrudgingly) and then raw+2 meals a day, nothing in between… well it was a looooong process. And I am pretty sure Vivi the rescue has not yet forgiven me. If she wanted to catch stuff and eat it, she could have stayed in that log pile. This was not the life she envisioned, she thought free choice crunchy food that was the equivalent of eating out at high end fast food joints was the life for her!

Also mine are definitely meh about chicken. Personally, my wallet would love to feed them chicken. They would prefer rabbit. We compromise with 2 parts rabbit 1 part chicken. I still need to put some kibble (science diet oral care, of all things - I use it as a treat for the cat with oral issues, and it is LIKE CRACK). But 4-5 pieces on top and picky slender cat is scarfing down the raw and saving the kibble for last. Fortunately Vivi, while not a fan of raw is a fan of food and when you are a small black cat amidst two large hungry MCCs, you learn to eat fast or miss a meal.