APHA, AQHA and TBs of certain lines should be tested for OLWS (frame). Frame isn’t always obvious, there are horses with no visible white that test positive. It’s also found in minis and likely other breeds that I’m drawing a blank on. It is known as a new world mutation, so if your horse has no NA bloodlines you should be safe.
OP’s horse is NA bred.
Boogie is a tobiano APHA registered stallion…Mostly APHA, but with some QH and 1/8 TB …here’s his pedigree:
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/twist+n+boogie
You lost me…what is NA bred? This stallion has been genetically tested negative for 5 genetic traits.
North American is what I understand NA to refer to.
The sire of you stallion prospect is a QH or Appendix?
APHA (Paint) registry - American Paint Horse Assoc.
I understand his registry but what is his breeding? Apparently it can be QH TB or some combination of the two.
Yes I understand Frame Overo mutated in North America in horses of Spanish descent. So frame Overo is historically present in Mustangs, QH, Paints, and other breeds as well. I’ve seen classic frame Overo miniature horses, one at our barn was a mini me of my big Paint mare.
But with horse transport and AI growing over the past 60 or 70 years I am sure frame Overo horses must have been imported to Europe, especially if there are pockets of riders that admire the Western horse.
Like for instance Germany.
https://www.vf-performancehorses.com/english/horses/
The German Paint Horse Club lists several Frame Overo stallions at stud. They are all obvious American lineage horses but they are at stud in Germany so the Frame Overo gene will be in the home grown population now.
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The 5 panel test is for HERDA, HYPP, PSSM, GBED, and MH.
It does not include LWO. So, he really should be tested.
I saw nothing about his sire that said he was tested, but if you have proof he was tested n/n, then this colt is also n/n by pedigree, as long as the TB dam is not from one of the Frame lines. I know her sire line is not, but I don’t know what her mare line is.
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The stallion side is ALL TB, QH and APHA… Homozygous tobiano. The mare is by Puchi’s Rambo…no LW …out of a solid black TB mare.
Yes, I know the stallion side is all TB/QH/APHA, which means Frame is possible, and he needs to be tested.
“Solid black mare” means nothing in terms of Frame. There are many solid horses who carry Frame. Given how few Frame lines there are in the TB world, the chances of that black TB mare carrying frame is slim to none.
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Especially since she would be in her late 20’s if she wasn’t DEAD! She had 7 foals by Puchi’s Rambo…7 were loud, dominant white #5’s. All of our broodmares are decendants of these pure TB pairings.
OP are you not understanding what JB is saying?
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I have a W5 stallion. Dam was by Puchilingui. The color can get interesting. Congrats on your W5.
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Stunning horse!!
This was our “last” Puchi’s Rambo stallion/son. Ok. feed company killed him…we have ONE, 3/4 TB, ISH,
daughter of his, a fantastic, “colored” gelding and a full TB sister…dam of the tobiano/?DW colt n question.
