Neighbors from hell...continued.

[BornToRide]

How hot can a fence be wired legally? And like I posted in your other thread:

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Originally Posted by TropicalStorm
[I]Well I did go over to see the parents. Not at all impressed. They thought that I was ‘hogging’ my horses (like actually? are these people for real?!?) But when I told them that horses can be dangerous (was it bad of me that I made my yearling sound like a freakin’ monster?) and that I didn’t want anyway to feed them.

I then told them that I’d have to enforce the rules for security reasons…mumbled something about my insurance. And then told them that I’d be ‘required’ to call the cops if I saw the kids on the property anywhere near the horses. Parents promised to keep little darlings away. We’ll see.[/I]

What I expected - clueless parents that have not set heatlthy boundries for their kids. You should have made all your horses sound like monsters! Hope there will not be trouble in the future. BTW, how are they hogging their cars or are you allowed to go over and drive one of them whenever you feel like it? …

[Appassionato]

@TropicalStorm

Alright, well the parental unit went to talk with them.

From what I understand, the woman reluctantly (and I mean after being threatened with a lawsuit for endangering private property and tresspassing) agreed to keep her spawns under control and supervised. But really, how long do we think that will be in effect for? My parents stressed that there were absolutely no compromises available and that if they had to get the police involved, they would. That shut the woman up, for the time being. However, apparently Jimmy is STILL a worldclass equestrian, and I should be thankful for the extra help. My parents apparently got upset enough they told her to shove it where the sun don’t shine

As for the dog issue…my dad is royally pissed. They stressed the issue of how not only is my horses’ safety in danger but that of the dog’s as well. The woman thought that we were being foolish and that “it’s the country for heaven’s sakes! Dogs roam free everywhere.” Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing we can do unless I’m able to actually CATCH him on my land (and hopefully document it with some pictures) and I’m hoping that neither the dog nor the horses gets injured, although i am fully in my right to hurt (if not kill) the dog for attacking my animals

Fortunately for us, our neighbors across the road know what complete dingbats these people are and have their own problems with them, so if we ever did need to sue, we’d have collaboration.

So we’ll see :\ I just can’t believe that people exist like this in the world.

The same neighbors who’s dog attacked my horse and days later attacked me:

A year or so earlier, they had a dog that chased two of our babies. One was chased through 4 board 1x6 fencing, the other was chased partially over the metal gate. I say partially, he was still on it when we found him, his legs were hung up in it. Talk about incensed. Explained very carefully and very graphically that I’d blow the dog’s head out of his behind if he steps foot on th e property again. Dog owner/neighbor informed me that he would have it so that the horse have to be removed from the farm, “no livestock allowed in city limits law”. Um, I’m on an over 100 YO plantation that was grandfathered in YEARS ago. Finally, that dog was put down of cancer. In the past 2 years, he has had about 6 dogs. No kidding. they run off, or I’VE had to deal with them secretely. Dog lovers can bash me for it, go right on ahead. I understand that it isn’t the dog’s fault, that it is the owner’s, but why on earth should my horses PAY for it? Finally, thank GOD, I was attacked. NOW they are finally keeping their damn dogs up. It doesn’t help I’m not a dog person. Hey, I happen to love cats. But when I catch one spraying my car, barn, tack room…that thing is GONE. Sorry!

[MissBri]

Pretty strong - the ones for cattle/bulls really pack a punch.

I’ve seen some that pack a 12KV charge.
One or two state a 16KV charge (usually for large cattle acreage)

Most of your standard horse fence chargers pack a 6-10KV punch - again depends on how far the fence is strung.

[BornToRide]

Well hot wire that fence line then and make it real good

[Amwrider]

Someone from another bulletin board, I think he lived in Oregon, had a neighbor whose dog would come over and chase livestock. He shot it but it wasn’t a kill shot. The owners sued him and had him charged with animal cruelty and he served jail time for it.

Just want to point out what could happen.

I like the paintball idea, but keep in mind that what you do to their dog, they may find a way to retaliate against your horses.

[rescuemom]

@TropicalStorm

I wonder what would happen if I was just like “Get the hell off my property. If I see your dog again, he’s going to the Humane Society and if I see your kids on the property, I’ll call the police and press charges against them for tresspassing and endangering livestock.”

I’ve read this far through the thread and don’t have time to finish. The above is exactly what you need to say and do. Be sure to let the ijits know exactly what your legal rights are as regards their dog and your “livestock”.:mad:

Best of luck. This sort of situation has always worried me as my rescue continues to search for a new farm, what we could be in for if surrounded by housing developments.:eek:

[Graymaresrule]

@Gnalli

Carol gets to join the redneck club we have going too!!!:lol: you know we luv ya, don’t ya?

My crappy neighbors are MOVING in about a month, WOOHOO

I have a horse trailer in almost the front yard and a herd of goats, boy does that bother people

[2DogsFarm]

A Recent Big City Transplant adds her $.02

Maybe it’s because I hate loud noises…but all this talk about guns is giving me the willies!
PLEASE don’t point a gun at kids - if you think the parents are nutso now that could dump them right over the edge, not to mention the trouble it could get you in!
Also reconsider shooting the dog and try my solution:
If the dog is friendly to humans, call him over, pat his head, give him a Milkbone…
Then cover him with honey/molasses/corn syrup and send him home…
on the way I guarantee he’ll roll in something.
Let the neighbors clean him up a couple times and perhaps he’ll stay away?
This worked for me after a turned-loose-all-night barker was retrieved from the Police Dept (where I dropped him off) and came calling again.

[Alagirl]

@MissBri

Pretty strong - the ones for cattle/bulls really pack a punch.

I’ve seen some that pack a 12KV charge.
One or two state a 16KV charge (usually for large cattle acreage)

Most of your standard horse fence chargers pack a 6-10KV punch - again depends on how far the fence is strung.

Usually the less wire you charge with it, the better the umph…believe me I know, and I only had the dog unit, not even for horses…sooooooo if you get the five mile unit and only have a couple houndred yards on it…:yes: :winkgrin: :lol: It’s fun, especialy if the ground conducts well… (but when your at it, get the deluxe model, you live only once! :lol: )

[Alagirl]

@2DogsFarm

Maybe it’s because I hate loud noises…but all this talk about guns is giving me the willies!
PLEASE don’t point a gun at kids - if you think the parents are nutso now that could dump them right over the edge, not to mention the trouble it could get you in!
Also reconsider shooting the dog and try my solution:
If the dog is friendly to humans, call him over, pat his head, give him a Milkbone…
Then cover him with honey/molasses/corn syrup and send him home…
on the way I guarantee he’ll roll in something.
Let the neighbors clean him up a couple times and perhaps he’ll stay away?
This worked for me after a turned-loose-all-night barker was retrieved from the Police Dept (where I dropped him off) and came calling again.

maybe prepare something nice - and smelly, like a dead, well ripened fish?

[MistyBlue]

I like the paintball idea, but keep in mind that what you do to their dog, they may find a way to retaliate against your horses.

Freeze the paint cartridges. That way doggie doesn’t go flying home with tell-tale paint splotches on it. Just a painful (yet harmless) reminder to stay away. Works well for coyotes and raccoons and oppossums and all sorts of unwanted critters.

[Mozart]

ooh I love the smelly dog idea

That is a great one, I will remember that. Hunting supply stores carry different kind of scents, I’ll bet you could buy a really smelly one to douse the dog in.

Tropical Storm I hope you realize that these people are kidding when they talk about shooting at the kids even with paint or rocksalt. At least I hope they are. It is still a projectile and criminal charges could ensue. (i.e. dangerous use of a firearm) I mean, I know you live in Alberta and all, but it is still Canada. :lol: I admit that it would be satisfying to deposit a load on the cheeky monkey’s backside, but it is not worth it.

Electricity will be your friend. I zapped myself but good once. Filling up a water trough over a fence with a hot wire. Somehow I let the flow of water onto the electrified wire. Next thing I knew I was on the ground. I was pretty sure someone came up behind me and whacked me in the back of the knees with a baseball bat.

The part of this that I just cannot get over is that the kid is in Pony Club. That continues to astonish me.

[Amchara]

CarolP-The front yard wouldn’t bother me

I do get irked if I see a trailer in a pasture though zips up flame suit. For me though, it is more of a “They have room for it out of the pasture and something bad could happen” thing. Plus, I love drooling over other peoples trailers.

[slc2]

get some skunk scent from a local hunter, and douse the dog each time he’s on your land.

at the same time, i’d try to calm down. nothing has really happened yet. it’s all been talk. take it easy. don’t assume what will happen.

[Goodyfourshoes]

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[Tom_King]

I never cut the ends all the way off. I just open the puckered part, empty, and refill. A disk of duct tape lets you feed them through an 870. I don’t know about the pistol question, but they feed fine in a double pistol grip 18" barrel version. Even up on a motocross bike with one hand.

[ESG]

Just had another thought about the dog.

Get a humane trap. Bait it with something nice and stinky. Get the dog into it, document it on film, and call the local police/animal control officer to remove the dog. Simple. Dog is removed, owners will have to go pick it up and pay to reclaim it. A few times of this will probably put paid to either the dog or the problem. Or, if they forget to get the dog, the AC folks will euthanize it. Probably the best thing for the poor beastie; doesn’t sound like these idiots care very much for it. :no:

Just wish I had as good a solution for the kids. Even these sound just smart enough not to go into a humane trap, no matter what you bait it with.

But an X-Box might work.

Just a suggestion.

[Pat]

[SIZE=2]Ditto on the don’t hurt/kill dog. You do not want them coming after you over that. I love my dog and we’ve had some issues with him and running off. We’ve pretty much fixed that, but if someone hurt/killed my dog if he ran off again, I’d flat out kill them. Or blow up thier car or thier house, or something. Do not screw with me. My dog also has finnally figured out that if he even thinks of chasing one of the horses, he’s going to get a beating himself.

The dog, hmmm. I know that my dog LOOVES horse poop. It’s good eatin’ and fun to roll in too. Catch Fido, (don’t let idiots see, go behind the barn) and COVER him in the nastiest poop piles you can find, then get him to eat his fill. He will still stink for hours after the required bath they give him, since eating horse poop generally makes dogs fart extra stinky. Wont’ hurt the dog in the least, and he’ll probably think it’s fun any way. I’m sure they won’t enjoy the poop covered dog and put a leash on him.

I would also write up the most frightening descriptions of the ways one can get hurt just by being close to them, and send it on over with a letter from the lawyer threatening a harrassment/tresspassing, etc. lawsuit.

Can you put up a stockade type fence, or chain link? Along your property line, nice and tall so the kiddies can’t climb it.

And find out if you have any kind of equine liability laws like many US states do. You likely will have to put up specific signs to be covered by the law, and keep in mind that no release or laws can protect you from your gross negligence.

When writing a release, don’t go overboard. Release forms have held up in court, but if you try to get someone to sign off on your gross negligence it could cancel out the whole thing. have a lawyer look at it before you put it to use.
Children, well just continue to make it clear that they are not one bit welcome. Document every time they tresspass and try to take photos. Maybe you could leave a disposable camera at the back or front door, which ever is appropriate for the sole use of documentation. Just so you don’t have to hunt it down.
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[Giddy-up]

I like the letting dog snack on horse turds & covering him with something nasty…err I mean he found something to roll in while on your property.

I am a big fan of catch the dog & call Animal Control. Doggie gets a car ride, owners get a call, owners have to pay, we aren’t involved. Hey–it’s a strange new dog in the area & how were we to know where it lived?? Most times the fine keeps going up EACH time dog is there. This has solved some of the new neighbor’s theory on “we live in the country now & our dog can run free willy”. :lol:

[magnolia73]

Just a thought - can’t think of a dog solution… but for the kids - and say this directly to the kids -
“I am sorry, but you are not allowed under any circumstances on my property. It is not safe and you are not welcome here”. In your best school teacher voice. That should intimidate the little urchins who have probably never heard the word “No”.