Neighbors Spooking Horses

When someone is deliberately looking to spook horses, have riders thrown, and cause general mayhem, they are a crap person, IMO. I mean, do you feel good about yourself when you are trying to spook a horse/rider. they get tossed, and they end up in the hospital or worse? That’s just weird and totally disturbing. Someone that has invested in a stable, riding ring, and all the other things that go along with a functioning horse farm is unlikey to pack up and leave, so people should really consider where they move to, but they don’t. Sometimes they just don’t know and figure it out later, but still, no need to be rude to people.

I have a spooky horse, it is just in his nature to be sensitive and weird about things. However, even he can get used to odd things, noises, and whatever. So I’d just spend time out there. Hand walk, longe, groud work, whatever, just put the hours in, show your horse it is no big deal, and instill confidence.

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Right. You can’t control other people, and it doesn’t sound like these neighbors are open to “please.” And you should not tiptoe around your horses because they might spook - get them desensitized to the worst things you can think of, and pay attention to how they are feeling on any given day. Alert and not paying attention? Do groundwork until they are. But bucking, spooking horses are NOT the neighbor’s fault, it’s the fault of the rider and trainer for putting the horse in a situation the horse is not prepared to deal with. 100%.

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well I had one of those neighbors and it was no fun

I could not bring hogs as we can not have swine in my area, zoning prohibits… so I removed MY fence that was on the property line then relocated the fence ten feet inside the property line then started calling animal control every time their dogs/horses stepped foot on my property

They eventually installed a stockade fence on their property line

(they finally sold the place to settle their divorce … lovely couple that they were)

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Since op doesn’t own any of the property, there’s nothing she can do. If the bo or trainer won’t have a conversation with neighbors, nothing is going to change. Best advice is to find a new barn to ride at. Its not OP’s place at all to talk to the neighbors about this. Talk to your trainer or BO and then leave if things don’t get better. It’s not worth getting hurt over someone else’s petty dispute.

Once again sometime people do not have always have a choice on where to put their ring due to zoning, terrain, drainage etc…
The farm owner has every right to use her whole property as she wants to also. If the BO has never had issues or heard of people having issues with the neighbors intentionlly trying to spook horses in a ring why would it be stupid for her to put her ring near a fenceline ON HER PROPERTY? If the zoning allowed it then she should be allowed to put it there and not be harassed.

Not everyone has the financial situation that they can just buy the front property. Maybe it sold through word of mouth so she never even knew it was for sale or maybe a$$hat neighbors inherited it the property and decided to build there.

Too bad some people are just such self centered jackasses that they feel the need to harass other people.

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From the OP I am not seeing how we know that these people are jackasses that are harassing other people. We know they are using their back yard that kids are playing, there is screaming and there are dogs.
None of those things are unusual in a back yard for some people.

Now, if the people are doing these things on purpose to make the barn people miserable then for sure, they are jackasses.

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I used to board at a barn where the ring was near a corner of the property that backed up to a gravel lane that had a few houses off of it. The ring wasn’t directly on the property line and there was quite a tall privacy fence, which was located such that from the ring, neither horses nor riders could see what was going on behind it. Note also that all of the houses were on the opposite side of the lane from the ring and fence.

There were a couple kids who would run their dirt bikes up and down the lane loudly, but they weren’t really a problem for my deadhead mare. What DID get her nostrils flaring and doing pirouettes out of the “evil corner” of the ring was when one of the neighbors, who enjoyed tinkering on old cars, would rev their engines and the cars would backfire, loudly, sounding for all the world like gunshots. In those moments, I honestly wondered whether the fence helped or just fed my mare’s imagination of which terrible monster lurked behind it. My mare was pretty bombproof, but on those days (they were only occasional) we’d have to work in the half of the ring that was farther away from that corner and she’d still fall in when we got close. I believe in our time together, that unseen action behind the fence in that corner of the ring was the only thing that ever made her do the old wheel-and-bolt and how I managed to stay on is a testament to her extreme honesty in all things spooky.

That said, the fence made it such that the neighbors couldn’t see that anyone was actively riding, and while it was annoying it wasn’t frequent or intentional. So we just made do and hoped they wouldn’t be out there when the lessons were taught.

If the neighbor, kids or dogs are intentionally spooking the horses, I think another poster was correct in that the only real options are to either try to come to a compromise with the neighbor or pursue them in civil court. It’s a really crappy situation, especially for the property owner who can’t just move barns and whose business may be suffering - but that is the reality.

I had a neighbor that used to shoot off those small rockets. He used the vacant lot next to the fire trail I rode on, and he had kids who participated and later got into mini dirt bikes, small bikes, no mufflers. They didn’t do it on purpose to scare the horses but eventually the fire road became a graveled short cut for cars from up the hill and user competition pushed the horses out. Just the way it was and is in many places.

Regardless of whether there was a choice in the matter or not, it’s still stupid from an “I want peace and quiet where I ride” standpoint.

The neighbors are enjoying their property in a way that doesn’t appear to be directly harassing anyone. I agree with a poster above thinking that a hedge or privacy fence might feed into the horse’s fears, so I’d just desensitize them.

Other people using their properties how they see fit within the letter of the law does not make them jackasses, even if it’s annoying to someone.

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I’m unclear about this part. Op have you explained whether or not the kids and dogs are leaving their property and entering the ring? That’s a crucial detail.

Also, has anyone approached the neighbors to feel out what the issue might be? I’m thinking along the lines of maybe a dust storm blowing over their house and yard when people are riding, or some other manageable annoyance. Has there been any dialogue?

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The ring is used for lessons as it has been for some time.
That’s an established business.
New neighbours carry on in a way that interferes with conducting normal established business.
New neighbours carry on in a way that increases risk to those participating in lessons and making use of the ring.
What effect does that have on the insurance costs?
What about loss of revenue from loss of business?
Dogs running at and growling/barking at the horses should be discouraged by the dog owners.
It is not only a horse training issue.
A talk is in order. Good luck to the facility owners in reaching an understanding with the neighbours.

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Don’t forget that horseback riding-- especially the dressage and H/J versions–is often seen by the non-horsey population as an elitist, fussy luxury. To this crowd, you might as well be polishing your yacht on the property line. This is going to color their perception of what’s necessary and reasonable.

For everyone saying that the property line is the ONLY PLACE on the property that works for the arena, that may be true, but you can’t make an irritated neighbor see it that way, and their perception is their reality.If someone puts their kids’ giant trampoline on the property line, so the screaming kids are closer to your house than it is to theirs, you’d prob have the same reaction. There would be no amount of convincing you that this was the best place for it.
(And let’s be honest, I doubt many private stables would consider putting the arena right alongside their house even if it were suitable from a topography standpoint. Because, well, who wants a dusty arena as a backyard.)

Bottom line, none of us controls land that we don’t own. Neighbors and neighborhoods change over time. When you use your property in a way that has a direct impact on your neighbors, you have to be prepared for some neighbors not to like it, or you.

We can sputter all we want to, but it’s like getting mad at a traffic jam. It only affects you and your stress level and does nothing to improve the circumstances.

By the way, a substitute for buying land is to come to another kind of financial agreement. You and your neighbor can agree upon terms whereby you get to use your property in xyz ways between xyz hours, and neighbor agrees not to do xyz during these hours within xyz feet of the arena. And yes, there’s a financial payment involved to compensate the neighbor for this annoyance or constraint on his property. In my line of work, this is informally called a good-neighbor agreement and it’s not uncommon. A couple grand a year can buy a lot of mutual forbearance.

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I board at a barn that has neighbors who zoom around at high speeds on ATVs all the time, another who sometimes does target practice with their rifle, another house that has dirt bikes and just rides then up and down the same hill incessantly for hours on end and the owner of our barn has a bunch of goats that he randomly moves around the property in a only partially functioning electric fence that they frequently escape from. We also have loose barn dogs who are horse friendly but still run around randomly in the dusk in a pack and a stallion who often charges the fence when turned out by our outdoor arena.
I don’t think any of these actions are openly hostile, it’s just people living their lives on their property. Does my 5 year old get spooky and nervous about that stuff sometimes? Absolutely, but then he learns to live with it and focus on his job, as do all the other horses at our barn. And the good news is most show grounds will seem like a relaxing environment after your horse has learned to tune that type of stuff out. Unfortunately in this day and age with ever shrinking land you often have to deal with clueless people and adjust.
And why do I stay? The people are nice and watch out for each other, it’s low drama, the arenas and track are great and they allow night turnout and I like my trainer and its close to my house. So in the end I don’t think bad neighbors have to be a deal breaker.

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Meh, I’ve lived on my farm for a year. The farmer behind our property checks on his field with a helicopter, he came by once when I was in my ring on my horse and I got my butt off real fast as he was very low and I wasn’t sure what was going to happen.

Now if he sees me on a horse he climbs high until he’s past us.

It’s not hard to be considerate without inhibiting your own life.

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True but not all people are reasonable and to be fair you are one person riding once or twice a day. This sounds like a lesson/boarding facility where people may be riding all day long so it’s not just a 2 hour window where you can keep the dogs inside or kids under wraps. That’s to play devil’s advocate though, they may be genuine jerks trying to ruin the barn business.

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Where I live, target shooting on rural land is common. A few days ago I was listening to a property owner who rides complaining about the neighbor’s shooting. I don’t know what the point is of complaining about something that is common, as it’s just a waste of energy. The shooting is only from time to time and lasts maybe 30 minutes each time. The horses easily become accustomed to it, in my experience. The shooting bothers the human far more than it bothers the horses.

These days it seems best for rural land owners to plan to maintain a buffer zone around the perimeter of their property. Plant or build whatever is most pleasing to help screen the views both ways, and maybe even dampen any noise. People buy rural property to be able to shoot and/or run around on their ATV’s and/or whatever it is they do. Any property owner has to expect and be prepared that sooner or later something obnoxious is going to be next door or nearby.

Just a thought. :slight_smile:

I was at a show and one of the rings bordered a subdivision, and a man came outside his house and weed whacked for about 20 minutes and it was LOUD. And then a bunch of kids ran around the yards screaming. It was a Saturday morning, you can’t exactly tell people they can’t tidy their yards, or their kids can’t play outside. Yep, some of the horses spooked and were bad about going down the rail near the commotion, but hey, don’t put your horse in a position it’s not prepared for.

When Mr. Beach mows or weed whacks or does any other outside chore while I’m riding, I tell him NOT to deviate one little bit from what he is doing because I would like to know what, if anything, bothers my horse. So my horse did not spook at the above referenced show because Mr. Beach has weed whacked along the ring and I got my horse desensitized to it.

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I agree that if it is just people doing normal stuff and kids and dogs being their rowdy selves, there is nothing you can or should do about it! They are as entitled to do that as you are to ride horses on your property - no more, no less.

Has the barn owner spoken with these people? Though I am not sure what can change. I can see asking to tell anybody riding that you are going to weedwack the property line, or something of that sort. But the kids and dogs are going to play!

Riding in CT, there have been a lot of close neighbors. Most have been reasonable, although the horses may have had to adjust. Kite flying, target shooting, cannonballs in the pool, and screaming games of tag were just some of the “desensitizing opportunities”. If my horse and I weren’t ready for that level yet, I just did not ride at that time.

Unfortunately, at the current stable, there are bad feelings between the neighbors and it appears (though difficult to prove) that he is deliberately trying to spook horses. Nobody needs to start up a chainsaw behind the privacy fence on the property edge right when somebody is riding (after no activity the whole morning before) on several different days!

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Consider it a good sensitization opportunity for your horse. I have a very spooky Arab mare who thinks the world’s going to eat her some days. I’ve literally seen her spook at butterflies and a falling leaf. Weirdly, screaming kids are not on her list of fears - she’s curious about them and seems to want to make sure they’re OK. If she can get over stuff, almost any horse can.

The barn is being added on to at the farm where I keep her this summer. After hearing construction noises for the last two months, she is completely unfazed by loud banging, power tools, people climbing ladders and walking around on the roof and carrying boards and large pieces of equipment.

When she went to training, the BO had several dogs that were loose in the barn - they were very good with horses but were always running around roughhousing and play fighting/barking with each other. Guess who can now ride with a dog and let them trot under her belly?

Life experiences are good. Plus, it’s always very satisfying to completely ignore the neighbor trying to get a reaction! The best reaction is a non-reaction, at least to me.

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