New Article on Cesar Parra Controversy

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

@Knights_Mom

@DownYonder

But the really sad thing is that even if he gets dragged into court for one specific instance, photos, videos, and statements of other alleged instances will not be allowed into evidence because they will be deemed “prejudicial.” So he will get off again…

Not necessarily. They could prosecute each thing as a count. A defendant can have multiple counts.

Then the owners of those other horses would have to come forward and be willing to testify and (hopefully) provide some sort of proof - right?

I wonder how many of them would be willing to do that - like the owner of the horse he allegedly punched holes in with a pitchfork, or the owner of the horse whose bridle he allegedly put a screw into on the underside of the noseband. And God knows how many other instances…

If a D.A. insists on pressing charges they can imply complicity on the owners part which will likely be enough to get the owner on board with pursuing it.

[Knights_Mom]

@omare

I wonder if it could be argued that any reasonable person would know such a contraption could/would cause a horse to fall or lose its balance- or alternatively,(oops as already noted it is used to purposefully cause the horse to lose its balance and change its action to compensate??

Beyond a reasonable doubt. The standard in criminal cases. I don’t think the falling thing is clear enough to a jury to explain horse rebranding. The language is clear on causing it to fall. Not making the horse think it might fall so it brings further under him blah blah blah. Falling is falling. Splat. On the ground. Went boom.

Just my non lawyer opinion.

[Knights_Mom]

@DutchSonofBell

Well it wasn’t training as he was there only 45 minutes before CP flipped him. Its was an evaluation. Just thinking how to break the NDAs.

Number 2 of the statute I posted making causing pain, injury like cuts, welts. That works. Juries can see wounds, bumps and bruises. That makes it a criminal act which would render the NDA moot.

[Joanne]

@oldernewbie

Try this?

https://www.facebook.com/100064565907302/videos/718893477050090/

and

https://www.facebook.com/100064565907302/videos/942489840828947/

Anyone know who might be the second person at the bottom video? Would that be Jen?

Nice horse. Hope it found a great home/rider.

[KurPlexed]

@Angela_Freda

It’s a photo of a Horses’ behind, in a trailer I believe, with three holes in it.
The WS was taking their horse out of there I believe.

I’ve seen this photo. Are you saying the WS was removing their horse and CP stabbed the horse? Like in the past few days?

[4horses]

Does anyone know anything about the Clinton Anderson horse collapse? I saw some pictures on Facebook but no video of what happened. Not sure if it was him handling the horse or one of his assistants?

[DownYonder]

@KurPlexed

@Angela_Freda

It’s a photo of a Horses’ behind, in a trailer I believe, with three holes in it.

The WS was taking their horse out of there I believe.

I’ve seen this photo. Are you saying the WS was removing their horse and CP stabbed the horse? Like in the past few days?

Let me guess. CP will argue that the horse ran backwards to avoid loading in the trailer, and he (CP) used the pitchfork only in an attempt to keep the horse from running over him. Or that the horse was kicking at him and had him pinned against a wall and he had to use the pitchfork to defend himself.

[KurPlexed]

@DownYonder

Let me guess. CP will argue that the horse ran backwards to avoid loading in the trailer, and he (CP) used the pitchfork only in an attempt to keep the horse from running over him. Or that the horse was kicking at him and had him pinned against a wall and he had to use the pitchfork to defend himself.

You’re probably right.

[atl_hunter]

Why would one have a pitchfork readily available in hand when loading a horse? That is not a typical device that is used for loading a horse in a trailer. A whip? Sure. Longe line? Sure. Pitchfork? Absolutely not. The only reason to have a pitchfork on hand would be to harm the horse. Period.

[DownYonder]

He would no doubt argue that one of his workers left it leaning against the wall and when the horse tried to kill him, he grabbed it in self defense.

An even better argument for a jury would be that the horse was about to trample or double barrel a child - gasp - so he had to take desperate measures to protect the kid.

Yeah, I am cynical but I have little faith in LE or the judicial system to punish animal abusers adequately.

[K_VanOlst]

@4horses

Does anyone know anything about the Clinton Anderson horse collapse? I saw some pictures on Facebook but no video of what happened. Not sure if it was him handling the horse or one of his assistants?

This thread is about Cesar Parra.

[atl_hunter]

I was thinking he would keep going the AI route

[DownYonder]

@atl_hunter

I was thinking he would keep going the AI route

That wouldn’t surprise me. I think his PR person must be a former political hack.

[Salty]

This thread is about Cesar Parra, to be sure. But I think that one reason why he’s gotten away with such abuse for so long is because of its prevalence. Along with a culture of unquestioningly following the directives of the “trainer.” It all needs to stop.

For instance, a trainer local to me wanted to rig up a contraption with ropes and pulleys to force a horse to “work through the back.” The horse was resistant due to OCD lesions, not because he woke up one day and decided to be difficult.

[K_VanOlst]

@Salty

This thread is about Cesar Parra, to be sure. But I think that one reason why he’s gotten away with such abuse for so long is because of its prevalence. Along with a culture of unquestioningly following the directives of the “trainer.” It all needs to stop.

If someone wants to start a thread on another abusive trainer, by all means, go ahead. But it doesn’t make sense to bring up CA here. They’re not even in the same discipline.

[Maria]

OH! You know he was cleaning a stall. Or giving the horses hay.

[sascha]

@K_VanOlst

This thread is about Cesar Parra.

Meh, my horse’s poo goes on the same pile as her stablemates’ does because it’s all poo.

Which reminds me (insert comicreliefjack) a while ago I heard someone on the radio pronounce pooh pooh as poopoo and have been wondering since if other people distinguish between the way they are pronounced. (end crj)

[sascha]

@Maria

Or giving the horses hay.

Bingo. Three prongs that far apart = hay fork.

[Angela_Freda]

No

[Angela_Freda]

Note, the pic shared by Knight’s Mom was what I was referring to.
Clearly I misremembered because this photo is in a barn aisle it appears