People have not seen my colt move.
About the longest drive one can make in my country without going in a cirkle is about three and a half hours: https://www.google.nl/maps/dir/Delfzijl/Maastricht/@52.0690394,3.8326532,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x47b628ef590e0645:0xaed9d5b263aee564!2m2!1d6.9244598!2d53.3310272!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c0e9ec5841069f:0x53eb957bccbea86e!2m2!1d5.6909725!2d50.8513682?hl=nl
Do you have any video of him?
The best TB movers I have seen were every bit as good as the best warmblood movers I have seen. One was in the Makeover last year, Anthony Patch. https://vimeo.com/111962118 Heâs a 4 star event horse.
Really, you have never seen a Wb move better than the horse in the video?
This explains much.
[QUOTE=Elles;8064122]
I wrote many horse people in Holland about my TB colt http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?459662-Sire-line-and-having-a-colt-gelded and most people showed very little enthusiasm or interest. Only one stallion owner said he wanted to come and have a look at him. I have not let the stallion owner see my colt (yet). This particular stallion owner has (for as far as I know) never owner a TB stallion and he told me by e-mail he does not know a lot about TBâs. Greve did not answer at all to my e-mail.[/QUOTE]
I am saying that with all due respect, but I read your post and I see absolutely nothing particularly interesting with regards to your stallion. Of course they cannot go and lookk at everyoneâs colt. They do not do that with warmbloods either. Their are millions of colts to be looked at, but the very very good ones are very few and far between. They have their criterias and they have people they know and trust looking for them. My believe is that I often see a big gap between a breederâs, or ownerâs, opinion on their horse and the markets view on same. The quality is their and it is realy high. If you read the forums here, it seems like everyone has an FEI or GP prospect unbroken 3 years old in thear yard. No one can breed one star after the other, and that is normal. But because people do not show interest in each and every horse we like doesnât mean they cannot, or do not want, to find quality. Sometimes it is just we do not have the quality we thought we have.
I think some people are over thinking things. I would assume by allowing outside tb stallions, they are simply trying to make things easier for those very select, few holsteiner breeders that choose to use xx blood. I donât think this change is going to radically change their breeding program.
[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8064188]
I see your point but I think he has to prove that heâs good at something. I love TBs and I wouldnât go look at a young unproven TB like that unless he was at least a gorgeous mover. And they exist. The best TB movers I have seen were every bit as good as the best warmblood movers I have seen. One was in the Makeover last year, Anthony Patch. https://vimeo.com/111962118 Heâs a 4 star event horse.
Another was a mare I saw in a dressage clinic. Still another was owned the barn manager when I boarded my horse in Pennsylvania. Such horses arenât that common though. Itâs more common for a TB to be a talented jumper than dressage horse. They can even have the gaits but be a little too independent-minded for dressage, which is part of the reason they are so good at eventing.[/QUOTE]
I think everything is about the point of vue. I am not an eventer guy, but compared to show jumper or dressage horses doing more advance level, to me the horse you put a video of is sub par. He seems to have nice forms over all but I see no extension nore suspension in the trot, and he seem to be very rigid in the back. As for the canter, to me their is no power, and it seems to me like he doesnât have that much of a stride. I honnestly do not know how he would place in dressage in eventing, but I wouldnât even look at him as a stallion if I was looking for a TB.
I do not think they care to look at any Thoroughbred. The Thoroughbred world is far away from the warmblood / sport horse world. It is just two completely separate worlds.
[QUOTE=Cumano;8064355]
I am saying that with all due respect, but I read your post and I see absolutely nothing particularly interesting with regards to your stallion. Of course they cannot go and lookk at everyoneâs colt. They do not do that with warmbloods either. Their are millions of colts to be looked at, but the very very good ones are very few and far between. They have their criterias and they have people they know and trust looking for them. My believe is that I often see a big gap between a breederâs, or ownerâs, opinion on their horse and the markets view on same. The quality is their and it is realy high. If you read the forums here, it seems like everyone has an FEI or GP prospect unbroken 3 years old in thear yard. No one can breed one star after the other, and that is normal. But because people do not show interest in each and every horse we like doesnât mean they cannot, or do not want, to find quality. Sometimes it is just we do not have the quality we thought we have.[/QUOTE]
How come Joop van Uytert would like to come and have a look at my colt. only after I sent him some pictures?
http://www.hengstenstation.com/uytert/
Elles, if you are so convinced you are right, I do not know what I can tell you to convince you. And if Joop Van Uytert wants to see your horse, good for you. He saw something I, or the other stallion owners you contacted didnâT see in him. I can only hope for you that it works out and that you found the new Ladykiller.
I am not convinced I am right.
[QUOTE=stoicfish;8064348]
Really, you have never seen a Wb move better than the horse in the video?
This explains much.[/QUOTE]
He moves a lot better than most of the horses that people post on here do, with the exception of the offspring by the chestnut TB stallion in an earlier thread.
He is fluid, has three really good gaits, excellent talent for collection and is very athletic and light on his feet. That puts him light years above many of the dressage warmbloods out there. Many of them could use more blood.
Your lack of knowledge about TB history (and Trakehner history for that matter) explains much too.
[QUOTE=Cumano;8064379]
I think everything is about the point of vue. I am not an eventer guy, but compared to show jumper or dressage horses doing more advance level, to me the horse you put a video of is sub par. He seems to have nice forms over all but I see no extension nore suspension in the trot, and he seem to be very rigid in the back. As for the canter, to me their is no power, and it seems to me like he doesnât have that much of a stride. I honnestly do not know how he would place in dressage in eventing, but I wouldnât even look at him as a stallion if I was looking for a TB.[/QUOTE]
You didnât see extension??? Thatâs hilarious. :lol:
She was riding collected canter in much of the video.
If you think that horse is rigid I donât know what to tell you other than I find that hilarious too.
You can see the trend-- in that MOs want to use stallions that have competed at the top level and only then give them a chance to see if they can produce themselves, only better. I think it is not possible for mere mortals to find the next ladykiller that everyone will want to use. I think the next great xx stallion will need to be a convincing 1.6m horse first before he will be able to show he is the next Ladykiller in the breeding shed.
grayarabpony, I, and other before, have been nothing but respectfull with you. I donât understand why you are being so ubnoxious? Trying to remain respectfull, If everyone around you is either ignorant or laughable, a little introspection may be appropriate.
Going back to the main topic, I donât know at what level of horses you refer, but I see none of what you see in this horse. It is a cute horse, with a cute form, but nothing else. It is not a bad horse from a jumper or dressage point of vue, but to me it is all sufficient, at best.
As a reference, I chose a randmom video on youtube that shows a fairly good example of suspension, rythm and ground covering. NOthing spectacular, just good:
[QUOTE=Cumano;8064547]
grayarabpony, I, and other before, have been nothing but respectfull with you. I donât understand why you are being so ubnoxious? Trying to remain respectfull, If everyone around you is either ignorant or laughable, a little introspection may be appropriate.
Going back to the main topic, I donât know at what level of horses you refer, but I see none of what you see in this horse. It is a cute horse, with a cute form, but nothing else. It is not a bad horse from a jumper or dressage point of vue, but to me it is all sufficient, at best.
As a reference, I chose a randmom video on youtube that shows a fairly good example of suspension, rythm and ground covering. NOthing spectacular, just good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4yOf_LPHCI[/QUOTE]
Well Cumano, you werenât respectful in the above post and you really donât seem to know what an extension is supposed to look like. Interesting. No, I donât respect that.
As far as the stallion in the video, meh. His canter work is not that great, particularly the half pass, and he looks like he has quite a bit of trouble collecting in the canter.
Good, than I guess I am Laughable and Ignorant! Glad to join the clubâŠ
[QUOTE=Cumano;8064379]
I think everything is about the point of vue. I am not an eventer guy, but compared to show jumper or dressage horses doing more advance level, to me the horse you put a video of is sub par. He seems to have nice forms over all but I see no extension nore suspension in the trot, and he seem to be very rigid in the back. As for the canter, to me their is no power, and it seems to me like he doesnât have that much of a stride. I honnestly do not know how he would place in dressage in eventing, but I wouldnât even look at him as a stallion if I was looking for a TB.[/QUOTE]
Until recently, if you wanted to see true extensions of any real merit, you were far more likely to see it in the eventing world than the GP ring. Thankfully, extensions have improved in the GP ring in recent years. Used to be people exclaimed over extensions where the horse was pinwheeling big in front and flipping its toes and dragging its hind feet far behind, not showing suspension or overtracking at all.
[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8064485]
He moves a lot better than most of the horses that people post on here do, with the exception of the offspring by the chestnut TB stallion in an earlier thread.
He is fluid, has three really good gaits, excellent talent for collection and is very athletic and light on his feet. That puts him light years above many of the dressage warmbloods out there. Many of them could use more blood.
Your lack of knowledge about TB history (and Trakehner history for that matter) explains much too.[/QUOTE]
No, he doesnât.
I own Traks and have bred. And horses with 50% Tb, the ones I feed everyday and ride. The truth is that horse doesnât have good movement compared to a well bred Wb. And I wouldnât defend a Wb with that movement either.
But please keep resort to personally insulting people. And if someone points that out in a post, that post will just go missing anywayâŠ
[QUOTE=stoicfish;8064610]
No, he doesnât.
I own Traks and have bred. And horses with 50% Tb, the ones I feed everyday and ride. The truth is that horse doesnât have good movement compared to a well bred Wb. And I wouldnât defend a Wb with that movement either.
But please keep resort to personally insulting people. And if someone points that out in a post, that post will just go missing anywayâŠ[/QUOTE]
Yes, he does.
Quite frequently people post here about their âstunningâ horses and Iâm just âHmmmm⊠OK.â OTOH I love Manniâs horses but IMO they are in a class by themselves.
Cumano insulted me but you donât have a problem with that? OK. Say hello to my ignore button.
[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8064622]
Yes, he does.
Quite frequently people post here about their âstunningâ horses and Iâm just âHmmmm⊠OK.â I love Manniâs horses for example but IMO they are in a class by themselves.
Cumano insulted me but you donât have a problem with that? OK. Say hello to my ignore button.[/QUOTE]
EXCELLENT!!!
Since I am on ignoreâŠif you think that horse has great movement and the rest of the dressage breeders on here cannot breed anything that good, I suggest that you should actually watch dressage classes or go to a young horse dressage suitability class. It might be a very educational Donât respond nowâŠIâm on ignore. 
