New decision in Holstein

[grayarabpony]

Is there a good conformation shot of Brilliant Invader, who has been mentioned several times already? This is the best I could find. http://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2013/10/breeding-eventers-blood-will-out/ He would surely be the kind of stallion breeders would want. He produced several top durable athletes in show jumping and eventing. More info: http://horsetalk.co.nz/hurlingham/morganlefey.shtml

The mares he was bred to must have been good too.

[Elles]

This son of Zabeel is a good looking guy: http://www.highview.co.nz/Stallions/Sufficient/Overview-News
A bit short in the back but also nice: http://www.gavelhouse.com/listings/show/id/6285

[Elles]

Also do I like Dark Lord by Zabeel: https://www.google.nl/search?q=zabeel+"dark+lord"&hl=nl&biw=1600&bih=698&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=ZqoNVaCWMJLXaveVgqAL&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAA&dpr=1
A bit deep through the back but a nice neck set: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=agameneo&x=0&y=0

[grayarabpony]

[QUOTE=Elles;8065792]
Is there any particular type of thoroughbred horse that could be most suited (a lot of the horses in the pictures are TB’s):
https://www.google.nl/search?q=carlos+horse+gate+forum+“xx”&hl=nl&rlz=1T4MERD_nlNL503NL503&biw=1600&bih=698&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=noQNVfiLOJKBafyNgYAF&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#hl=nl&tbm=isch&q=carlo+“horse+gate+forum”+“xx”+blut[/QUOTE]

Mount Etna looks super. http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=CgU5km&d=Mount+etna&x=-834&y=-27

Scyris looks very nice too: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=Scyris&x=-845&y=-27

As does Cyrkon: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10478521

Sea Lord: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10647024. He’s a Grand Prix dressage horse and there are videos on youtube (can’t link to them with my iPad).

Fly Society: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=Fly+society+&x=-834&y=-27

Sorry if you’ve already put these links up Elles.

Thanks for that post, those are a lot of beautiful horses!

[grayarabpony]

Ready’s Image: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/videos/10880/readys-image.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/134024/readys-image

Currency Swap: http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/167026/currency-swap

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/videos/13117/currency-swap

[grayarabpony]

Lucarelli: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=Lucarelli&x=-834&y=-27

http://www.eurodressage.com/equestrian/2015/02/09/dressage-showcase-2015-trakehner-stallion-show-munster

[SEPowell]

[QUOTE=Elles;8065792]
Is there any particular type of thoroughbred horse that could be most suited (a lot of the horses in the pictures are TB’s):
https://www.google.nl/search?q=carlos+horse+gate+forum+“xx”&hl=nl&rlz=1T4MERD_nlNL503NL503&biw=1600&bih=698&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=noQNVfiLOJKBafyNgYAF&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#hl=nl&tbm=isch&q=carlo+“horse+gate+forum”+“xx”+blut[/QUOTE]

Yes, timber and hurdle horses, especially those who run in the PA Hunt Cup and Maryland Hunt Cup. You can easily google those horses and study their breeding.

Here is a sampling of National Hunt stallions in Ireland.

http://www.rathbarrystud.com/cms/stallions/

[grayarabpony]

[QUOTE=SEPowell;8066282]
Yes, timber and hurdle horses, especially those who run in the PA Hunt Cup and Maryland Hunt Cup. You can easily google those horses and study their breeding.

Here is a sampling of National Hunt stallions in Ireland.

http://www.rathbarrystud.com/cms/stallions/[/QUOTE]

I love the look of Presenting and Shirocco.

[FlyingBolt-Golden_Cy]

Something to keep in mind with NH sires is that the top ones sire large books of mares, so they have lots and lots of offspring. (The breeding season is longer than that of flat stallions, as there is little to no disadvantage to a foal born late in the season, because they don’t start their racing careers till they are 4yo or 5yo).

Presenting for example has put almost 2500 foals on the ground, and is probably the dam sire of another 1000 plus. Given that almost all of those descendants are in Britain and Ireland (two countries that have no qualms about riding and competing TBs), if they were any good as sporthorses, we’s probably have seen them rise to the top by now.
Granted many of the mares he sired would be kept and used in NH breeding, but almost all the males would have been gelded.

[Elles]

I do not think that anyone in the UK who is really seriously into show jumping nowadays looks for a TB. They are all very much into the warmbloods.

[Elles]

By the way, the trainer where my three year old will be going to told me that on a regular basis people are looking around for horses with a lot of TB blood. Unfortunately I forgot to ask who those people are. I will ask the question any time soon.

[Elles]

Dollar du Murier is out of a TB female family. Dollar du Murier is the grandsire of this horse: http://www.hippomundo.nl/horses/pedigree/line/104515
http://www.hippomundo.nl/competitions/index/104515

SIR SHOSTAKOVICH XX seems to have done some good in this mare line:
http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/progeny/160627

[grayarabpony]

[QUOTE=FlyingBolt-Golden Cygnet;8066666]
Something to keep in mind with NH sires is that the top ones sire large books of mares, so they have lots and lots of offspring. (The breeding season is longer than that of flat stallions, as there is little to no disadvantage to a foal born late in the season, because they don’t start their racing careers till they are 4yo or 5yo).

Presenting for example has put almost 2500 foals on the ground, and is probably the dam sire of another 1000 plus. Given that almost all of those descendants are in Britain and Ireland (two countries that have no qualms about riding and competing TBs), if they were any good as sporthorses, we’s probably have seen them rise to the top by now.
Granted many of the mares he sired would be kept and used in NH breeding, but almost all the males would have been gelded.[/QUOTE]

Have you done a search to see what his offspring are doing?

[Elles]

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/classifieds/w/query-showjumper/#search-url:/classifieds/search/advanced/?region=w-equestrian&view_type=standard&sort_method=score&sort_direction=desc&category=594&type=1&page=1&per_page=24&price__min=10000&price__unit=4831&query=showjumper
Maybe the above says something about where the UK stands with regard to the type of horse that is mostly being used.

[grayarabpony]

[QUOTE=Elles;8066684]
Dollar du Murier is out of a TB female family. Dollar du Murier is the grandsire of this horse: http://www.hippomundo.nl/horses/pedigree/line/104515
http://www.hippomundo.nl/competitions/index/104515

SIR SHOSTAKOVICH XX seems to have done some good in this mare line:
http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/progeny/160627[/QUOTE]

I didn’t realize DuM was from a TB female family. (Actually I had just forgotten about it. http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?218047-William-Micklem-Thoroughbred-Factor-Spin-off-focusing-on-mares&p=4292363&highlight=Dollar+murier#post4292363)

I was really wowed by both him and Liscalgot when they competed at the WEG.

[Elles]

Julio Mariner used to be a positive influence. I found a direct offspring that is still competing on Hippomundo.

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/favorite-thoroughbred-stallion-s-525768-31.html
http://www.hippomundo.nl/competitions/index/56016

[Cumano]

Great analysis of the situation by Tom Reed ( I think it is Tom on this forum). I think he summarizes pretty well the role that the TB had over the years on shaping the Warmblood in the Dressage and Showjumping ring, and an interesting point of view as to how TB may still be used in today’s breeding world. Eventing has changed a lot in the pas 20 years, and it seems like eventing breeding programs are still at the beginning. I would agree that their may be place for developping a purpously bred eventing horse for modern eventing, and that good TB blood may be very usefull in doing so. Although I still think pure TB blood is not as crucial as it once was in the SJ horse, wich is what I breed for, I have to admit that Tom made me think and that i see a lot of sense in what he says. Developping that new, modern eventing horse could be a very interesting challenge for breeders!

http://www.morningside-stud.com/A_CRITICAL_SHORTAGE_OF_BLOOD.pdf

[Elles]

And it would be really good if there were less severe accidents in eventing and the horse being too tired might be the problem.

[Elles]

And yes it is Tom Reed ;-).
http://www.horse-gate-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?52-Mut-zum-Blut-Edle-Tropfen

[stoicfish]

[QUOTE=Cumano;8069985]
Great analysis of the situation by Tom Reed ( I think it is Tom on this forum). I think he summarizes pretty well the role that the TB had over the years on shaping the Warmblood in the Dressage and Showjumping ring, and an interesting point of view as to how TB may still be used in today’s breeding world. Eventing has changed a lot in the pas 20 years, and it seems like eventing breeding programs are still at the beginning. I would agree that their may be place for developping a purpously bred eventing horse for modern eventing, and that good TB blood may be very usefull in doing so. Although I still think pure TB blood is not as crucial as it once was in the SJ horse, wich is what I breed for, I have to admit that Tom made me think and that i see a lot of sense in what he says. Developping that new, modern eventing horse could be a very interesting challenge for breeders!

http://www.morningside-stud.com/A_CRITICAL_SHORTAGE_OF_BLOOD.pdf[/QUOTE]

I agree.

A pure Tb sport registry would be great for the horses and the sport of eventing.