New Issues for SafeSport

[teatime0714]

I’m in HR and same here. Unfortunately with the US being such a litigious society the risk just isn’t worth it. Even a frivolous lawsuit costs time and money to defend against. I would personally hope it’s different for professions in institutions working with children or for the protection of society. However I could also see this being some sort of union issue where they’ve negotiated it not being able to disclose the info.

(Caveat here that I’ve never been HR for a union workforce so this is pure conjecture based on my understanding of the bargaining power of the union)

[Pennywell_Bay]

@cutter99

You see no irony in the fact an organization founded to combat multiple forms abuse in sports hired a man previously accused of rape???

You don’t question SafeSports hiring practices???

The fox is watching the henhouse here, and people are pretending it does not matter.

How many are being failed by an organization that wields enough power to destroy lives, yet its own investigators are corrupt?

First- get the information correct. He was not convicted, or even charged when he was hired. He was just arraigned on Jan 10.

Isn’t that what those who are screaming about SS in general complain about? Guilty before proven-so.

He has NO PREVIOUS CONVICTION, your statement in incorrect, so SS hired him.

No profession is immune, which is why we need protections.

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[MorganSercu]

McDowell did some digging and saw news reports that Krasley had been arrested and charged with theft and receiving stolen property for allegedly stealing $5,500 that had been confiscated from a drug bust in Allentown in 2019. The criminal case in Pennsylvania still has not been resolved.

I’m surprised Safe Sport may not have asked his former employers if they would rehire him. It seems sloppy to me. Wouldn’t it be one of the most telling questions to ask about a prospective investigator?

[DMK]

At this point in time what we can say is that safe sport is a bit more prompt in resolving these matters than the police department, where he held more potential power over people than he ever did as an investigator for safe sport. What we don’t know is if the PD moved as expeditiously as possible given the evidence available.

And it sure would have been useful, once he was indicted, if the prosecutor would have reached out to safe sport to let them know. I do have a certain amount of empathy for an organization that employees someone who is indicted while employed and after the initial background check. It’s not like these various judicial systems are linked and some alarm goes off on HR the moment there is an indictment.

[Mondo]

@DMK

At this point in time what we can say is that safe sport is a bit more prompt in resolving these matters than the police department,

Maybe in this case, but in general? Oh hell no! There are cases pending with SS even with a not guilty verdict after more than 5 years in limbo. Don’t tell me they’re prompt about ANYTHING. I love the concept behind Safe Sport but the execution is sorely lacking. JMO, YMMV

[furlong47]

@MorganSercu

I’m surprised Safe Sport may not have asked his former employers if they would rehire him.

Some employers won’t even offer up that much information. The only thing they will do is confirm the dates of employment. (In this case I don’t know if that’s the policy for this police department, but it isn’t uncommon.)

[DMK]

I was only referring to how quickly they released the investigator from employment, and ONLY that. Speedy resolution is a huge issue, but kind of OT

[Badger]

Safe Sport fraud

Congress's Sex Abuse Enforcement Body Nailed For Fraud

[Sdel]

Finally! We have the criminal court standards we have for a reason. This organization always seemed too open to being used as witch hunt and for revenge for me to have any confidence in their findings. I’m glad there is clear evidence of misconduct starting to come out. Cherry-picking evidence in order to initiate a criminal complaint (on the basis of false allegations no less) is a very bad look.

When looking at and reacting to these sorts of things, you can never forget that people often times have just as much motivation to lie as they do to tell the truth.

[Willesdon]

Why are so many Americans dead set against any attempt to safeguard children? Surely an imperfect system is still better than nothing at all?

[Sdel]

You clearly didn’t read the article. It was a teen spat where two other teens decided to falsely accuse a third for battery as soon as the one turned 18 and SS could be weaponized. Plus they have at least two investigators that appears willing to falsify or otherwise obfuscate evidence.

Not everything that SS does is about children.

If this organization can be used as a form of bullying and abuse against someone that you don’t like, one that doesn’t allow the escape from blatantly false accusations and weaponization, then the organization needs to be reimagined and a complete overhaul is needed. It has failed it’s primary function.

[DMK]

I’m all for the appropriate application of safe sport. I’m equally for them being accountable for the quality of the people they choose to represent safe sport in their investigations.

[paw]

Safe Sport most likely has its flaws. But I’m not sure I’d trust The Federalist to be the most reliable reporter.

[Sdel]

It’s been reported in other places. The story’s credibility is secure.

[Willesdon]

@Sdel I read the article. My point still stands. It is perfectly possible to bring a vexatious case to a law court and a criminal standard of evidence can fail against the shenanigans of cynical lawyers playing games with the court or the local Police running along with the local Big Man. It happens daily. The law is seen as a business tool/weapon by too many: blind justice protecting the vulnerable is as live as the gilded statue standing atop the courthouse dome.

SafeSport seems to raise the hackles of so many people - nearly 3 thousand responses on the Hunter/Jumper forum? - yet so many others have undertaken the training and now have some understanding of the risks, of the protections, of steps and actions to take. SafeSport certainly has its problems but it is better than what was in place before - nothing.

[Aussie_2020]

Coth has an article on safesport for equines. I agree. I’m so disheartened by all the animal abuses that we now hear about.
https://www.chronofhorse.com/article/opinion-why-we-need-an-equine-safesport-program/

[Willesdon]

… Because we now hear of it. Black Beauty was published in 1877 to change attitudes towards abuse. Attitudes towards companion and domestic animals has changed rapidly in my lifetime - half a century or so - and both knowledge and ignorance has increased.

[Knights_Mom]

Yes Black Beauty focused heavily on the use of a check rein/bearing rein which artificially kept horses head high, compromising their ability to pull loads in carriages.

[quietann]

Just want to correct one thing: many states do have an online registry of officers who have been decertified. There is also a national list, but not all states release their data to them. Unfortunately, not a lot of non-LE organizations would think to check the list.

That said, especially in unionized forces, it is very difficult to get an officer decertified. A Google search says Massachusetts has a total of about 28,000 officers, of which about 20,000 are “sworn.” Our certification board was started in 2021 and they have decertified only 41 officers. There are any number of others who should be decertified, but they’re using their unions to avoid it.

(At least the list includes Matthew Farwell, who’s been charged by the feds with murder for the death of a vulnerable, mentally ill young woman he groomed when she was still a minor, and eventually got pregnant. He’s accused of murdering her while she was pregnant and setting the scene to make it look like she killed herself. His twin brother, who was involved, but not in the murder, is not facing charges AFAIK, but has been decertified.)

[Aussie_2020]

(At least the list includes Matthew Farwell, who’s been charged by the feds with murder for the death of a vulnerable, mentally ill young woman he groomed when she was still a minor, and eventually got pregnant. He’s accused of murdering her while she was pregnant and setting the scene to make it look like she killed herself. His twin brother, who was involved, but not in the murder, is not facing charges AFAIK, but has been decertified.)

This case is so disgusting. I haven’t seen anything on the court case but there was a report about the investigation. Horrible man, and his brother is a puke too.