New puppy breathing fast and grunting UPDATE!

Thank you Wendy for the long explanation and info. I now feel terrible that we supported this ‘breeder’ but I really like the puppy, and assuming he has no serious issues, we will keep him.

It’s a shame that this breeder operates like this, because I really do like the dogs he breeds. Next time, I will insist we find a reputable breeder. Or the SPCA, as I tend to prefer “rescuing” dogs.

But thanks to everyone for the reality check. I should have had a gut feeling about it. I will report back very soon about the pups vet visit!

Update!

Forgot to update this after the vet visit. Puppy is totally healthy. Normal lung sounds, no lyme or other tick Bourne diseases, etc. The rate that he was breathing is normal for a pup while they’re sleeping. Yeah I’m “that owner” who hasn’t had a puppy in years. Vet says the grunting is likely from being full.

He does have eye lids that “turn in” slightly. Vet says he could grow out of it or he may need surgery to prevent ulcers. We shall see. But other than that, he said the puppy is very healthy. Thank goodness!

Thank you all for your advice. I will make better choices when acquiring a dog next time…thats for sure!

Pics of Hank? So glad he’s healthy.

The turned-in eyelids is called entropion and the surgery for it is pretty straightforward. Hope he grows out of it!

Great news!

Isn’t that big sigh of relief after a positive vet visit wonderful?:slight_smile:

I have a bunch of pics on facebook (link the the first post!).

I swear Hank is double the size he was when we got him. He’s 30 lbs already!!

And yessss, big sigh of relief. Now if those eye lids would just sort themselves out!

[QUOTE=wendy;6587025]

puppies need to be exposed to the world before age 16 weeks or their minds never develop properly. Kennel-raised puppies in particular are notorious for developing “kennel syndrome” due to the lack of early exposure to the world. This man had over 200 dogs, and there is no way he was able to properly socialize each puppy to people or the many things puppies need to experience early in life in order to grow up well-adjusted. At age 3.5 months, your pup is so close to the critical cut-off age that you probably will be unable to overcome the lack of early socialization. The fact that you describe the pup as shy and timid suggests the pup is already exhibiting symptoms of lack of socialization.

AFTER you get the pup cleared by the vet, I suggest you immediately seek professional help in getting this pup socialized and to help overcome the lack of early socialization. Find a behaviorist and ask about kennel syndrome.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that’s what we were told by a dog trainer I engaged after we adopted a three month old BC mix last summer. She came out of a hoarder’s yard, she’d been running loose with 30-40 other dogs, including her mother, had had but little human contact and was very timid. She’d had no shots at that point. The trainer said that, given her age and background, socializing her to people and human environments was an emergency. We had to keep her away from strange dogs until she’d had some shots, but he told us to get her out around as many different people (and their cars, bicycles, etc…) as we could, right away.

Fortunately, I was on vacation at the time, so I took her everywhere I went every day and into every store and building that allowed dogs (hardware stores, banks, etc…). We live in an exurban area, so we don’t see that many humans in our neighborhood, so taking her out to populated places was key. Once she’d had some shots, the trainer kept her all day, three days a week and took over where I’d left off when I was at work, he took her to a mall, to a schoolyard…he sought out “different” people…older/younger, tall/short, using a cane, wearing funny clothes, etc… My mother kept her the other two days and took her all over with her. So, she was out and about, around lots of people, every day for several months.

A bit of a hectic time, but it worked…she used to be afraid of everyone, then just people who looked different than ones she’d already met…now, at 17 months, she loves EVERYONE and I can safely take her anywhere without her crouching, growling, etc… We already have a fear aggressive dog, who we adopted as an adult, and I didn’t want to have to go through that again.

Hank was shy and reserved for maybe a few days. He has now been to many stores and has met a ton of people and dogs. He now walks bravely up to everyone! The vet just loved him and was impressed by how well behaved he was. My friend that got the Brittany said that her vet said the same thing about her puppy. They both have wonderful personalities so far!

Congrats on your puppy!

We got a “puppy” in September that was 6 months old. She’s from the breeder and had been out and about the world but not a ton. We have taken her alot of places and she is adapting well.

My point-keep up the good work. Take your puppy in the car for rides, to meet people, walks etc.

Also-we have the best book and its called “Puppies for Dummies”. We used it 10 years ago when we bought our other dog and read it again recently.

Its easy to read and offers good tips on a crate training schedule, house breaking, teaching them to sit, stay, come.

We have Rotties…so obviously training and socialization are important. :slight_smile:

I NEED that book! This is my first puppy in 10 or 15 years, and even then, my parents were the main trainers. I didnt have to pick up poop, take them out in the middle of the night, watch them 24/7, etc. So this is a HUGE change for me.

Lets just say, I dont get much sleep! I will certainly buy that book.

[QUOTE=GraceLikeRain;6587859]
OP needs a reality check. She keeps going back to the same backyard breeder and getting dogs that are treated poorly. An under-socialized, tick-covered, most likely worm infested, puppy is NOT NORMAL. The second most recent purchase was a 3 year old that the breeder “begged” them to take. The OP herself said the dog was “apparently not treated in the best way.” Why did you go back??

A Llewellyn Setter is just a english setter. I am sure that there are better options in your area for future dogs. I’d bet a pretty penny that this is the guy you are extolling as being so “wonderful”: http://www.londereekennels.com/index.html

200 dogs, 5 different breeds, all kept outside…sure sounds wonderful to me.[/QUOTE]

A Llewellyn Setter is not just an English Setter. You need to do a little reading, Scotland just got kicked off the planet with this remark. Perhaps AKC does not recognize the difference but you clearly are not familiar with either line to see the difference, or hunted with them to know the difference. It is not just the excessive ticking but that would be your first clue.

Not defending the man but not going berserk over “open kennels”. Should all dogs be raised as hot house flowers? These are hunting dogs folks. They need to be hardy. Also, even though the kennel may not be up to the standards that are recognized as being the best of the best. You can still get the best of the best type of dogs. I do not subscribe to the view that that amount of dogs should be kept by anyone but “Oh, the outrage”, kind of thinking when she described these as the best temperamented and intelligent dogs, and the kennels cleaner than the SPCA kennels, caused me to pause and think perhaps he is doing something right with his line. I would love to see pictures as I rarely see Llewellyns at all where I live. I glimpsed one recently in a yard of folks I did not even know had a dog. They are not neurotic, blasting around with constant nervous energy, barking their head off type of dogs. A good one is intelligent, affable, loving in the household and even, (imagine that), highly recallable which is unusual in a bird dog. Good qualities for a dog that can transition from the home to the field. Not really something that can be said for the myriad overbred German Shorthair Pointers or Weimeraners these days. Thank goodness they have not yet become faddish to own dogs.

Please also let the man know that the puppy had many small ticks, perhaps there was an unusual infestation because of environmental conditions. Besides the sheer number of dogs, maybe he just did not know.

Pictures don’t work :frowning: Can’t friend you, it just gives an unavailable page. It’s cruel to deny us puppy pictures!

[QUOTE=Calamber;6621131]

Not defending the man but not going berserk over “open kennels”. Should all dogs be raised as hot house flowers? These are hunting dogs folks. They need to be hardy. [/QUOTE]

I am surrounded by incredibly performance, conformation, and hunting dogs. I have several friends with hunting dogs that live inside or at a bare minimum come in every night. I also have visited the local hunts facilities and some how all of these dogs manage to be hardy, sound, and willing for 2 hunts a week during the hunt season despite being kept indoors. Open kennels do not magically equal hardy.

Additionally, the idea that you could read this thread and condone this facility on any level is repulsive. Do you really think someone with 200+ dogs in outdoor kennels with flea covered puppies is “doing something right with his line” ?? He is breeding Llewellin Setters, English Setters, English Pointers, Brittanys, and French Brittanys and has “puppies available at all times.”

http://www.londereekennels.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=63#top_display_media
Do you really think this is better for a young puppy then living indoors and receiving daily individualized attention and socialization??

We have very different standards of what is acceptable breeding practices.