Newbie to racing forum with question about the "pony" horses at the track

The paint pony was at Roedown

Re: The paint pony that someone mentioned they saw who only had a rope through his mouth. It is actually a loop of rope that she secures under his chin and that is how he goes. Scared the crap out of me when I saw it the first time and she was taking one of my “bad” horses. AND… If anyone remembers my post from Roedown/Marlborough Hunt about the outrider who had to chase the horse through the field and ended up jumping the tractor… That was Dakota. One and the same as the horse that goes with the rope through his mouth.

Most of the outriding ponies are exracers… Outriders need to have the ability to get up a good amount of speed to catch either a runaway horse or loose horse. Typically exracers do well with the job because they love the consistency and familiarity.
My pony horse used to pony afternoons and mornings. Now he just does mornings. He is an exracehorse. He HATES the starting gate, but if I spend a lot of time with him he will lead the racehorse straight to it. Our job in the afternoon is to make sure the racehorse makes it safely to the handler at the gate. Some of them are so wired during their warmup that they’d run off, or so wired that they won’t march to the gate like they need to. In the mornings my pony has taken on the role of “babysitting” the bad actors that need company to even gallop. He’s the soundest pony most have ever seen because he goes several miles a day easily, sometimes fast too.

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I was wondering what kind of saddles the pony riders use. Is there a specific brand that people like?[/QUOTE]

Around here they are often ones that clean easily, either sythetic or a synthetic leather combo. Remember they have to ride through EVERY type of weather, including getting plastered with mud on those really nasty days. One pony gal friend has a mint green fabtron that I can only tell is mint green because the seat is somewhat the original color still :lol: Big horn, fabtron, abetta. Never seen a wintec in use though, kind of upholds my dislike of them. One outrider is in a weaver synthetic that’s been black duct taped throughout the horn and front but it looks comfy and he’s in it most every afternoon so it probably is. An outrider who retired a couple years ago use to ride in an aussie but she was the only one I knew to ride in one. I do notice most ponies use two thick pads, some even three.

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Re: The paint pony that someone mentioned they saw who only had a rope through his mouth. It is actually a loop of rope that she secures under his chin and that is how he goes. Scared the crap out of me when I saw it the first time and she was taking one of my “bad” horses. AND… If anyone remembers my post from Roedown/Marlborough Hunt about the outrider who had to chase the horse through the field and ended up jumping the tractor… That was Dakota. One and the same as the horse that goes with the rope through his mouth.

Most of the outriding ponies are exracers… Outriders need to have the ability to get up a good amount of speed to catch either a runaway horse or loose horse. Typically exracers do well with the job because they love the consistency and familiarity.
My pony horse used to pony afternoons and mornings. Now he just does mornings. He is an exracehorse. He HATES the starting gate, but if I spend a lot of time with him he will lead the racehorse straight to it. Our job in the afternoon is to make sure the racehorse makes it safely to the handler at the gate. Some of them are so wired during their warmup that they’d run off, or so wired that they won’t march to the gate like they need to. In the mornings my pony has taken on the role of “babysitting” the bad actors that need company to even gallop. He’s the soundest pony most have ever seen because he goes several miles a day easily, sometimes fast too.[/QUOTE]

Isnt that Kay Maries horse? I havent seen her in a few yrs, if you see her, tell her Andi says hello!

Yup, that’s Kay marie’s. She does my pony work in the afternoons, plus we outrode at Roedown together.

Great topic! I was thinking of this on Saturday too. They’re so impressive, that they handle all that excitement so well. Of course, I remember one exception - a few years ago, I was watching NBC’s coverage of one of the Triple Crown races and a ‘pony’ horse really acted up; anyone else remember that? The camera was following the post parade and the commentators were yammering on about the odds, and one of the ponies kinda lost it. The camera pans, the commentators keep talking, and in the background you see the pony continuing to give his poor rider a hard time. Eventually, I think the commentators even mentioned it because the pony horse was more excited than the racehorses at that point:lol:

So do most of the riders ride western? From some of the angles on tv, it was difficult to tell. I have to admit that watching the parade, what kept popping into my head was, “I want to ride THAT one!”:lol: They seem so kind and sensible.

Another random question about the pony horses: how old are most of them? Any specific job requirements for them other than be sensible and sound? I get that the outriding ponies need to be fast, but do these guys? Can they be any breed, size, etc.?

Rider’s choice. Whatever gets the job done.

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Another random question about the pony horses: how old are most of them? Any specific job requirements for them other than be sensible and sound? I get that the outriding ponies need to be fast, but do these guys? Can they be any breed, size, etc.?[/QUOTE]

Anywhere from about 7 to 17 would be a fair range. Some much older, few younger because of the experiance and dependability they need to have.

Here’s my friend (faces removed) ponying with the stable pony a normal sized TB. The pony horse is a stocky registered QH gelding and probably the most expensive pony horse I’ve ever heard of but he’s dang good at his job and she’s learning. They were going to the gate to school the TB.

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A good pony has to be a combination of a lot of things…
It needs the patience of a saint, because they have to tolerate being kicked at, bitten, leaned on, run into - and they CANNOT kick back. My middle gelding used to try to breed my friend’s pony when he was still racing - too many hormones!
A good pony needs to be sound and have endurance…they may have a lot of “jewellery” in the form of ankles, bowed tendons from previous careers and so on…but they are often expected to go several miles at an easy gallop in the morning, and again in the afternoon. A GOOD pony person will rotate his/her ponies so that they get a break - those that don’t won’t have a pony very long.
A good friend of mine has a pony who made over $360,000 as a stakes horse. He is an AWESOME pony! Some mares can make good ponies too - I have heard of several, but it’s pretty unusual to see. I’ve known of ponies still working fit and sound into their 20s…a pony is the person’s livelihood, and good ponies are made, not bought.
Ponying is hard, hard work. A pony person has to be flexible - able to reschedule, reorganize and have a sense of humour - in rain, sun and slop. They have to help keep riders safe as well. I love hearing stories from friends of mine who used to pony…like the time the racehorse’s bridle came apart during post parade - all she could say to the jockey was “JUMP!” when she realized what was happening. Same person had a GOOD pony - she had a brand new string western girth, and as she was moving into a gallop, the pony stopped dead - and as she shifted her weight, the saddle slid off with the girth broken in half. Pony KNEW that something was wrong!
As someone else pointed out - sometimes the last bill to be paid is the pony person…but they are so important.

While having a laidback attitude, good trainability and enough substance to resist a horse pushing him around, the most important trait a pony needs is trustworthiness. A horse that will sell you out when the going gets tough will just get everyone in trouble - and that is a trait that can be determined pretty quickly.

To give you a better idea of the process of becomming a pony: I have a horse that is heading off this week to be a pony at EVD for the summer. He’s about 16 hands with a medium build and unknown heritage. He’s probably 7 or 8 years old. I have owned him for less than a week - I traded a mare (not a good pony prospect) for him. I know the horse enough to know he’s a good pony prospect - he’s quiet and pretty sane. He’s broke but doesn’t have much of a handle or a good finish. A pony guy is going to take him for me and he’ll put the miles necessary to make a good pony on him. The discussion regarding taking this horse occurred on the walk over from the backside to run a horse and went something like this: “Hey, can you use a good looking paint to pony with?” “Yeah. You want me to come pick him up or can you bring him sometime?” Obviously, he knows he’ll be getting a decent horse, but as you can tell, there isn’t a ton of thought that goes into it.

The pony guy will probably start him in the mornings with a few to make sure he’s going to be okay and then start taking a few at night during the races. He has a string of ponies (and puts miles on a lot, including the outriders’ horses) and will keep a backup saddled and ready to go in case this horse has issues. But, he’ll just use him - a lot. And the horse will quickly learn to do his job and not worry about too much.

The pony rider taking my horse is an outstanding pony rider - which is even more important than a good pony. He’s unflappable - just sits quietly regardless of what is going on. He can take tough ones without issue and knows how to keep the jock from getting bumped around (letting the rider get bumped by the pony is a good way to have riders refuse to be taken by a particular pony rider). And, you can tell him how you want the horse warmed up and he will do it.

The only true requirement for a pony is to have a negative Coggins and EHV-1 test (and the EHV-1 probably varies by track). They may be stabled at the track or at the farm and be trailered in. An outrider’s horse differs from a pony in that he needs to have enough speed over a short distance to catch loose horses and learn to haze loose horses toward the outside rail (which becomes automatic pretty soon - like a good cow horse).

Everyone I know ponies in a comfortable leather western saddle, but it’s up to the rider and I’m sure the fashion varies by region. I also notice some tracks - like Belmont - have pony people in huntseat. There are restrictions on pony person attire that vary by track and the track does charge owners a pony fee if a pony is used. That fee is debited from the owner’s account, but the pony rider’s fee is paid by the trainer or owner at the time of service (or whatever they agree to).

My OTTB used to pony when he wasn’t racing. He’s a total steady eddy.

Just a short comment about the pony’s tack - most tracks they ride western. However, pony riders at Aqueduct, Belmont and Saratoga usually ride mostly in English tack. They either use english or exercise saddles, often over top a western pad and saddle towel. :winkgrin:

Just to add a little info: My best pony had over 100 lifetime outs, made every nickel the hard way, retired SOUND and is still working at the ripe old age of 24!! He tends to be much better behaved if he is with a fractious horse than a good one, if there isn’t a problem going on for him to deal with, he will make one!!!
I have had other people ride him, and without exception-- the men hate to ride him!!! The girls, love him!! He pulls every dirty trick he knows of if a guy is on him, but a woman gets the smooth as silk ride from the rotten old bugger.

I love him with all my heart-- he and I have been together longer than either one of my marriages (18 years), and he will always be with me, even after he stops breathing!!

Here are some photos so you can get an idea of the breeds/types of ponies and tack used for their work. Some trainer ponies, some outriders, some track ponies…

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/2699958411/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/3509370818/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/957578675/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/3508545775/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/2700600010/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/1327286970/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/2736984525/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/3262799140/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/2759093720/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/2641411560/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/3069105291/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/208738538/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/729997473/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/2829259275/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/3506517994/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/1926809796/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/1254821098/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/2708890687/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/1364249066/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/2727304772/

Also, a little info to add…

A friend of mine is a pony girl. She owns four ponies (one Paint, two QHs and one TB) and rotates them through the season/days. They get the winter off and work during the race meet. As mentioned earlier in this thread, she has a tougher horse for the difficult horses and a more bombproof horse for the big racing days. All of her horses have lovely dispositions.

Sarah, Nice to see John’s Call! Love that war horse! :slight_smile:

Sarah I had to post to tell you that I really enjoyed looking at your photographs. :D:lol: Seriously - lovely photography that captures the spirit of racing.

Your album is stunning, Sarah.

Thank you very much! It’s my pleasure to share them.

I had childhood daydreams of becoming a pony girl so the subject is near and dear to my heart :slight_smile:

… not sure how I ended up with a laughing smiley up there! It was supposed to be :smiley: :smiley: but ended up :D:lol:

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… not sure how I ended up with a laughing smiley up there! It was supposed to be :smiley: :smiley: but ended up :D:lol:

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Ask anybody who has ever met me and you’ll find that I spend half my waking hours laughing :lol: