Novice needs advices on naughty horse (We have a baby!)

He looks very happy and I know you are too!!

I think you said you had tried a halter…again if you could get a rope halter similar to Clinton Anderson’s (google him) and a soft cotton rope so it doesn’t hurt your hands, I think you would find that he would be easier to control than with the chain just around his neck. These “cowboy” halters have a 2 knots on the nose that applies more pressure when you need it and nothing when he’s not tugging on you.

Oh yes…welcome and yes, your English is great!!

Hi Anna:

I am so enjoying reading your posts about your lovely boy. I’m enjoying the pictures too. You are a natural horsewoman - your instincts are spot on about his training. You’re a natural! Congratulations.

I am a bit worried, though, about the chain around his neck and the length of it on the ground. I’m so worried he’ll spook and get tangled, or you or your husband will get trapped in the chain and get hurt.

Please be careful with that set-up! I would hate for anyone to get hurt!:frowning:

I am SO enjoying reading this post about the new horse and Anna! It is so interesting to “converse” with someone in another country and see this lovely Latvian horse. I know there is concern over him being staked on a chain, and Anna has said they plan to fence in the spring. I suspect this horse is used to this having come from gypsys however, so likely he will not get into trouble. But I would watch him closely all the same and make sure there is nothing he could tangle the chain around and injure or choke himself. I would jsut say to everyone reading this topic that things are done differently in different countries, and often it is what the horse is used to. Please continue updating us about your “boy” and your progress with him.

What a wonderful thread! Anna, I do hope you keep posting…and letting us see new pictures. This has just made my day!

I know people, that chain does not look pretty for you, but believe me, horse had been used to the chain all his life, and we are trying to go really slowly with him. His biggest changes now is with owners and walking. He was one person horse for past ten years, so new people around him… Changes. Then at spring he will be moved to a new box - still the same building, but new doors, new entrance, window in the different place, and much much more space (about 3X more than now) so again - for him it will be a big change.
So at present, if somethings works, we do not try to change it just now. Slowly, step by step.
In small farms here people keep their cows on chains as well as horses - and there are no harm for them. A young calf is going through basic training to get used to it, and then he/she is ok. During the day you just go to pastures, put the chain in a new place and that’s it.

His previos owner had done another thing - I even do not know how to describe it right. It is very old fashioned thing, I do not know if anybody is using this method now. He tied horse’s front legs in a special manner so horse still can move around in pastures, but slowly, so he can not walk far away from home. This method does not hurt horse at all, but I would not like even to try it out.

See, we have another problem here that we must respect - his prewious owner. He is an old farmer, very good to animals, he had never hit this horse and loves him to pieces. We agreed to take this horse and try our luck basically because of him as he was really devastated that he can not take care of him and horse must be sold out (and it means slaughtery). Him and his wife are watching us each day with crossed fingers and prayers for us in hope that we shall get it all and horse will be here around till the end of his days… They are still feeding him and when we take horse out of the box, they instantly go in and clean it to save us doing this, they still feed the horse (so it is not our concern as well) - they are ready to help us in every way that they can just to convince us to keep this horse. For them we are doing the hardest job - to take horse out for a walk. And we try to respect them and invent changes very slowly (Neighbour is nearly 80 years old farmer, I mean really old fashioned farmer, like 100 years ago).
Like yesterday when the new crop worked, we show it to neighbours, showed how “strong” poke must be to make horse to respond and they were extatic. “Ooo, and you can find all these clever things on Internet? Wow! What a great thing!” said neighbour when Peter was showing them how well beheived horse was just by seeing this crop.

You know, we must treat this horse similar like a non socialized dog - when I rescued our poor St. Bernard girl, she had no socialization at all, so we build up her confidence, and then went step by step including trips on different public transport around the city. She is with us 3 month now and the happiest dog I ever seen, but at the beginning she was growling in the corner, so scared.
In comparison with horse, St. Betnard is a lapdog, really, so slowly, slowly for our own safety. It is easy to spook the horse - for example, yesterday we spotted that he was spooked by water in the trench along the road, so we stopped and Peter checked the water and showed the horse, that there is nothing dangerous to worry about. Horse followed him to check it out, and he was fine.
Maybe we are making to big fuss about him, but we do not need a professional racing horse, we want to try to turn him in a nice pet, friend and partner, who will like to hang around when I’m weeding garden and help a little(or something like that, you got the idea).
So far we are happy that horse recognizes our voices, and comes to us, when we call him. It is a nice beginning. This is 11th day with him for us - and we both just must learn, learn and learn.
Professional would do it much faster, I can imagine, but this learning thing for us and horse seems to be great fun anyway.

Please, be patient with me - this is my first horse ever, and I do not want make horse to pay for MY TRAINING mistakes. He as well has not been trained right so now we must find our own solutions that will fit for him and us.
Now I’m not so frightened and feel much more confident around him - and now I know that he is not a nasty boy, all this biting was just game that he was allowed to carry on for years. I really wish he would be smaller size - it would be so much easier. When I put my hand on his withers, I must lift my hand up, and I’m 5’9".

![]( have a question about horse’s beheivior.
When we leave him, he is scraching his front leg in a speciall manner. For us it seems that he is calling us back. We return, pat him more (with that new crop in hand still, of course), then leave, and he scratches ground with his hoof again. We repeated it many times, and each time he did that scratching.

It looks like here
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/barryz15/Horse/PICT2280.jpg)

When we leave completely, he neighs (is this a right word?) laud. Once. When we go out of house, and start to talk with him from distance (he is left out about 80 metres from our front door), first thing now - he neighs laud again. Once. And comes towards us.
Do we understand this beheivior right that he is happy to see us and do not want us to leave him?

The behavior, the “scratching,” is called ‘pawing.’ Horses sometimes paw when they are ANXIOUS. I do not think this is the case with Puika. He sounds as though he is bored or wanting something - we have a pony at my house who will paw when she knows she is getting fed. She will also paw when she is getting ready to go outside. Some people think it is a bad habit, because the leg can be dangerous near people. At my barn, we ignore them unless they are pawing when we are working with them. We do not tolerate this because it can be dangerous, as I said.

ETA: He does sound content - and he sounds very smart. It seems like you give him a reward when he paws, by patting or talking to him, so he has learned to do it again.

Edited again to add: afraid --> Anxious. That is the only reason that word is in caps… Because I made a poor word choice. Sorries! :stuck_out_tongue:

He instantly stops it when we aproach him and does not do it when we are around him. It really looks that it is a way how he tries to say us something from a distance.
He stands absolutely still when we are around - he is not a kicker at all, thank God for that.
Yesterday he accidentaly stepped on Peter’s foot and he immediately took hoof off. It was not that special stepping on the foot that horses sometimes do. He really tries to be gentle.
I just want be sure that we are “reading” his beheivior right.

And yes, for me he seems to be very smart boy and very quick to learn! I wish I would have more knowledge - in short time he would be a brilliant horse, but now we must go as slowly as our knowledge grows.

Thank you all for being here and helping us!

Pawing - my horses do not do it because they are afraid, they do it because they are impatient. They want something (to be untied, or to be fed, or attention in general). When they do it, it is usually just before dinner time or sometimes they paw while they are eating (can’t eat fast enough?). When I hand graze them in the fields, they will paw when I try to lead them back in, because they don’t want to leave the better grass. One mare used to paw in a trailer until it got moving, because she wanted to be unloaded.

If your horse paws and you come out and give him a pat every time, then I’d say your horse has “trained” you :wink: and learned he gets attention when he paws. So he probably is asking you for company.

Anna, the method you describe of ‘tying’ the legs is done here too, it’s called ‘hobbling’.

It’s mostly used by people who trail ride in backcountry and horse camp.

http://www.outfitterssupply.com/horse-hobbles.asp

Thank you, I must learn all the right terminology as well in English :smiley: Yes, that is it. Hobbling.

Just returned from barn and all my muscles nicely hurt :smiley: I was brushing his tail… for past 3 hours! And it is not done yet, but much better already. He is very patient with me, indeed.

Our crop works brilliant! Today he just showed his lips once, and in very cudly move. I didn’t needed even to touch him with a crop, I just showed him it and that was it for all the afternoon with him. He learns so quickly!

When I was brushing his tail, he several times slowly lifted the back leg that was my side a bit forward (not backwards) and then gently put it back.

So I spent 3 hours around his bum and he did not even tried to show signs of willingness to kick.

Then I used showel to clean the box and again - he was an angel. When I carried water in, all I needed to say him is “move” and he moves to let me pass his bum inside the box. (this was the first time when I was cleaning box when he was inside).

The owners were right - he really is a good boy, except this nipping vice. And today I raised my confidence level with him for another 100 pct… I have suspicions that it will not take even a year when I will be able to read this thread and laugh about myself.

Oh you are doing so well and making advances daily. Yes, I can understand now about the chain if that is customary.

How sweet that this couple trusted you with their friend…I’m sure they are happy about all of the attention he’s getting now…

Congratulations on your beautiful horse! It sounds like you are doing all the right things with him and he is in horsey heaven.

I had a giant Percheron in training for a while and, like you, we had to be very, very careful with his manners (he was a huge 18.1hh). Some of the things we taught him that made life around him much nicer were “stand” - I say stand and he doesn’t move a foot, no matter what. Made grooming legs and wrapping and such much safer, knowing that those giant feet were not going to move! I would tell him “stand” and if he didn’t, give one sharp snap on the lead (do this only in a halter, not in a bridle - you don’t want to snap on his mouth).

Also - leading respect. It sounds like you’re doing well in this department, if the horse is already trotting alongside your husband. He should move at your speed (you don’t have to move at his!) and slow down or stop when you do, without your having to do anything. If he’s not stopping when you do and watching you to know when to stop, do lots of walking and stopping just around the stable - walk forward, stop. Walk forward, stop. He should get the hang of it pretty quickly and begin to stop when you do. He’ll learn to always watch you and read your body language, rather than you having to always tell him what to do.

Last thing - this can make walks more fun! Build him little “obstacle courses”. Sounds like your walks in the woods are already doing some of this for him. Walk him around barrels, in patterns, over poles on the ground, all sorts of things - anything safe you can find. He’ll start watching you here, too, and reading your body language, figuring out what you want.

Have fun with him! He’s a beautiful boy!

are you sure he is not a stallion? as stallion love to nip, i fixed mine by putting a drop noseband on his halter when brushing and handling him so he could not bite me and I didnt have to hit him, then eventually took it off and he held a brush in his mouth and he bit that while i groomed him, some horses are just mouthy and want something to bite on

Hello a![](ain! Another newbie questions.
What would be better design for the stall? I am not asking about fancy things, I saw so many things on internet already (beaytiful, but not quite realistic for us :smiley: ), I would like the basic design tips.

Here is a scheme of the approx space that he will have
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/barryz15/stallspace-1.jpg)

It is one section of the stone build barn. Floor is concrete now there, ceiling height is approx 4 metres. Window is quite small, high and already protected with metal bars.

I’m quite good designer myself, but I had newer seen a proper horse stall and box from inside, so I do not have idea actually that he will need and that we shall need there.

I need such simple tips like how hight must be his feeder and waterer, and simple things like that.

About floors. I presume, he can not stand on concrete, so wooden flor must be put on top of concrete. His bedding is straw at present. We should be able also to use saw dust, but is it ok? I like straw, it is dry and easy to clean. Is it ok for horse?

Door will be saw in two, so when he will be not going out, he will be at least able to breathe fresh air and look around. What hight will be optimal to divide door?

In that section goats were living, but for last 4 years that part is empty. Is there any common deseases of infections for goats and horses? Is it ok to put the horse in barn after goats?

Concrete is hard but is very common in the US, many people prefer rubber floors or dirt floors because they are softer. If you do not have rubber mats there you can bed him deeper on the concrete. I use sawdust and I find it very easy to clean with little waste. You might like using sawdust on bottom then straw on top for a very nice bed.

Do horses go out in large fenced pastures there? It looks like most of your horses in your country are tethered or hobbled.

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Do horses go out in large fenced pastures there? It looks like most of your horses in your country are tethered or hobbled.[/QUOTE]

Not most are… Horses here are divided in two seperate categories. Sport and hobby horses that usually are living at professional stalls with all luxuries included. The other group is farming horses, usually single, and they do not have such posh life so they are living mostly on chain or hobbled.
It is easier for the farmer to change location of a single horse on chain instead of building expensive fencing around pastures. The costs of pasture fencing do not make sense for a single horse. Chain takes a bit your time during the day, but it allows each day to pick up the right spot for the horse, so there is a reason for doing things that way.

We have places like these where riding horses live
http://www.leflatvia.lv/_upload/pictures/408962/114515_200.jpg

He is absolutely gorgeous! I don’t know if you offer him apples, carrots, etc from your hand. But, if you do, stop it immediately. I wouldn’t even give him a handful of hay from my hand. I have a Perch/TB cross who became absolutely horrible about nipping, tugging at my clothes, etc. He got so much better in a very short while once I stopped giving him anything to eat by hand.

Good luck!

I posted it before - we do not handfeed him at all - from day one.

The prewious owners always gave him a treat for letting bridle on , going into box and things like that. For us it is no no. He gets carrots and apples, and beetroot, but not from a hand.

It looks like your stall layout (box) should be fine. In terms of ideas, remember that a hrose is a VERY STRONG animal. Often I have seen people in this country build a barn or stall out of materials that simply cannot hold up to a horse. Horses bang on the walls with their hoofs, lean and rub against the walls, chew (as you have already seen) and push on things like doors. So the stronger material you use, the better. As far as your door you described, we call this a “dutch” door. The height of the door should be about 4 - 4 1/2 feet (which should be about 1.3 - 1.5 meters or thereabout. basically to the top of his chest at a minimum. You want the horse to be able to put his head out, but not to try and climb or jump over the bottom half of the door. You can see some photos of our old barn (we no longer have this farm but now have a new barn) at the following links, some construction photos which may give you some ideas, and some pics of the half doors you are talking about.

http://community.webshots.com/album/562404602ErAeyz

Just click on eacn photo in each of the albums to enkarge it so you can see the detail and enjoy building!

Our new barn is similar except we built sliding doors on the stalls, you can see photos at this album:

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561770915UlxTva

Maybe these will give you some ideas about construction and use of materials. I am continuing to enjoy reading your posts and tonight as I was feeding my mares I thought of you as I looked at the moon! It is funny how small the world really is!