NY Barn Managers: What's Next?

Not so much entitled as realistic. Barn owners are not the only ones feeling the pinch of this crappy economy. Horses are an expensive luxury. I justify that luxury as I am able to enjoy the benefits of horse ownership. I am on furlough and have had my income cut severely. There is no way I could justify paying 700-900/month (typical board in my area) for 3+ mos on a horse I can’t enjoy. No matter how much I might love my BO, I can not support them at my expense in these tough times.

I am lucky right now as my current lovely BO offered me to do self-care on my horse to save $ - only boarder, we tend our own horses at different times, use my own stable equipment, wipe down shared surfaces, etc.

The BO’s that survive this will be the smart, creative ones with good customer service.

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It’s not about punishment, it’s about financial reality. Full care training board is almost $1800 where I have my horse. I don’t know if I’ll have a job in a month. So how can I justify keeping my horse at that facility where I have no access for the cost of a mortgage payment? I cannot.

Regardless of the fact that I love the place that I am, and my horse is happy there, if I cannot step foot on the property I will have to move. I cannot justify that sort of financial outlay in those circumstances. It’s sort of ridiculous in the best of circumstances. Call me entitled if you want, but I am a math/finance person and I understand the financial realities of my situation - with the possibility of no income hanging over my head, I would be insane to keep the status quo.

My barn has gone to limited access with strict sign up times and horse tacked/untacked by staff and the horse meets you at the mounting block. So for now I’m hanging on…even at my own financial peril.

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This. I think owning horses is a slightly unusual form of pet ownership that shelter-in-place orders didn’t take into account, thus we are all in a strange position where we own and pay for pets that we have no access to. I can’t imagine people would be so willing to accept similar situations with their dogs and cats.

I agree that me riding right now is not essential, but I have to disagree that I am not essential to my horse. My money pays for my horse’s care, thus I am essential in some way to my horse’s welfare. My barn is closed, which is fine, but there is no communication and no plan for reopening. I won’t keep paying my very, very expensive board and training bills indefinitely for a horse who I can’t even check on periodically when there are other, less expensive options.

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Does anyone have a link to the Executive Order that says people cannot ride? All I can find is this interim guidance which says that “exercise” of boarded animals is an essential service, that private boarding facilities have discretion as to when animal owners can come onto the premises, and that, with regard to horses, owners may be the ones to provide essential services (presumably including exercise):

https://agriculture.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2020/04/interimguidanceforanimalcareoperations_0_0.pdf

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There are two written pieces of guidance on this issue.
The first says:

Update on executive order for equine operations and horticulture

Equine operations: animal care is exempt, so farm workers can be on the farm to do so. No riding lessons, camps, etc. Horse owners should not visit their horses to ride on boarding farms"

https://www.nyfb.org/news/news-articles/covid-19-latest

The second is the one that is referred to above: It is permissible to have horse owners as the primary providers of daily care for their own horses at boarding facilities.

This clarifies the previous ruling, which seemed to imply that only farm workers could care for animals, not horse owners. However, I don’t believe that this applies to facilities where the primary care for horses is provided by grooms, etc.

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Thank you very much TBLover. I was trying to figure out how it is that some full-service barns in NY are permitting people to ride and others are not. If the later of the 2 pieces of guidance is the one I linked, I could see how people could read the following parts to permit riding as long as social distancing protocols are followed. It says essential services for equines includes turnout and exercise. Farm workers don’t provide exercise. It also says if you have an animal at a private boarding facility, “terms regarding client use and visitation rests with that business owner”. I am not aware of “client use” of boarding facilities for any animals other than horses. The part that says “for equine” does not say it supersedes the guidance on boarding facilities. So perhaps that is how some barns are getting comfortable allowing strictly controlled riding with strong social distancing policies and limitation of the number of clients on premises at any one time.

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My barn is in NJ (with many NY clients) and is fully shut down. Boarder horses are getting pro rides, lesson horses are on vacation.

Everyone is being very respectful about it - it is really being framed as measures to protect our trainer and groom. I think it helps that we are a small, close-knit barn.

I suspect that due to economics some people may have to move barns soon. But I don’t think at this point that anyone is planning to move just to have access to their horse.

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@Headsup123 I do think its somewhat of a gray area that is open to interpretation, and that’s how some barns are justifying opening. I hope those barn owners who have opened have consulted with their insurance providers to make sure that they are still covered if something happens, given the unclear state of affairs.

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I’m told that insurance companies have essentially been engaged to enforce the mandate by telling BO’s that if a non essential person gets injured on the property that they (BO) will not be covered. I am curious to know if BO’s are paying reduced rates because no one is riding (other than possibly the BO/trainer) and because far fewer people have access to the property?

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Would love to see the clause in barns insurance contract that allows them to keep clients away from their personal property and allows barns/trainers charge for training rides. Again, not saying it doesn’t exist but not sure how they differentiate owners and staff if they are saying riding isn’t allowed.

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Thankfully our barn remains fully open. Some people are choosing not to come, others come and spend less time than before. Everyone is mindful of social distancing. The barn next door seems to be doing the same.

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Thankfully my barn shut and remains so–I stopped going there 2 weeks before a strict lockdown in my area-- because I deemed it non-essential. My horse is ( and would have been anyway) out on grass 24/7 since the end of March. I know that some people are sneaking into the pasture to pet their horses, using a back road and a back gate. I wouldn’t want to do this as it is against the lockdown rules, and I cannot imagine people are wiping off surface as they sneak around. And someone might have wiped their virus-y hands on my horse through petting him, or feeding him treats that they shouldn’t be but I am sure they are-- and then if I touch my horse, am I exposing myself to virus? Is a horse a fomite?

I have full respect for barns that are shut to protect their staff, the barn owner and so on. I have no respect for the horse owner who wants to privilege petting their horse above the health of the barn owner and barn staff, and their families, if they have them.

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I have mild horse and dust and pollen allergies. Ergo, my eyes itch when I am around my horse. Not touching my face is going to be hard when I am at a barn. Always is. What will this mean going forward? I don’t know. I cannot even fathom that right now.

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I surely would not want to climb into a saddle and handle bridle reins that someone else touched while tacking up my horse for me. Why? Because leather is a fomite-- and someone shedding virus handling my tack could pass virus particles onto my saddle and bridle. And then I touch the saddle and bridle and the virus particles-- no way, not a chance I would take.

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NO. Barns are not closed in Canada: only in Ontario. In Alberta, horse owners and leasers are allowed to ride their horses. barns/riding is considered good for mental health/essential. We do have to follow provincial guidelines. EC does not write the laws, and, in my opinion, needs to do more to advocate for a return to a “new” normal. They are doing a crap job of representing anywhere but Ontario.

For more restricted areas, consider giving boarders outside access to see/check over their horses. I am sure many just want to see/groom/pet their equine, and would take that as a step one.

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Illinois here! You would be asked to leave our farm if you can’t deal with the separation of your non essential horse. You are putting yourself in front of the staff, barn owner, manager, trainer, farrier, vet and anyone else who actually is essential. Have a nice day

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Honestly, I think you’re being a little harsh towards the original poster. I think what ET Home is getting at isn’t that she wants to put herself ahead of everyone, but that she is thinking longer-term about the COVID situation and what it means for her as a pet owner and boarder, and if God-forbid she loses her job then what happens? Does she keep the horse she can’t see or afford at the same facility, or move it somewhere less expensive? I ask myself the same thing, not because I am a jerk, but because I spend a lot on my horse even in good times, and if I find myself in a situation where longer-term I am unable to ride can I still justify the expense? Or do I put my horse in a field somewhere for cheap and just let him hang out as my beloved pet until a vaccine is found, and save myself a lot of money, and bring him back when this is over? I think it’s a valid question to ask ourselves as owners.

I understand why you chose this path for your barn’s safety, but statements like yours make me nervous as a horse owner. Your view is fine as a shorter-term solution, but what happens if this goes longer-term? I noticed in a prior post you also mentioned that you are not riding your horses, so I assume that means your trainers are sidelined as well. In a worst case scenario where this goes on for months - or we start town a path where we are toggling between open/shut/open/shut - then what happens? Are you not going to ride the horses for a year, or if we go to the toggling system will you start riding and stop riding throughout a year? Will you be able to keep your trainers, or will they have to leave to find other jobs to support themselves? Are you going to shut boarders out long-term, or be willing to figure out an arrangement?

Us horse owners/boarders might be “non-essential,” but we DO own these animals and are paying the bills for them and hoping we keep our jobs. We are asking ourselves all of the questions above, and worrying about the future just the same as barn owners, maybe just from a different angle. I think to ET Home’s point, places where both the barn owners and the horse owners can strike a balance and know that considerations on both sides are taken into account may fare better.

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The initial intent of these variously-enforced state “lockdowns” was to “flatten the curve.” Brief, not permanent.

The curve is flattening, whether by our behavior or the natural history of the virus itself, nobody knows. We like to think we can control Nature, but most often we can’t.

In Sweden, Massachusetts and California, antibody testing indicates we may be MUCH closer to protection by “herd immunity” than was thought, consistent with the pattern of other known respiratory viruses for which we have never undertaken such draconian restrictions of movement and activity.

If we might for a moment assume that the “curve is flattened” by May 1, for how much longer are you willing to keep your business shut down if you’re a barn owner?

For how much longer are you as a rider willing to shovel out board, shoeing and vet money without being able even to visit and groom let alone ride your horse?

If you compete, how long are you willing to wait before horse shows, events, rodeos etc. start up again? Next fall? Next spring? Two years, three? Are you willing to pay for full-service board all that time?

If you run a lesson stable, how long before you have to dump your schoolies at Shippensburg or Unadilla because you can’t afford to feed them OR pay your help with zero revenue? (Euthanasia on that scale would be prohibitive, too).

Most younger people, let’s face it, buy a horse and keep it in a (training) barn so they can take lessons and compete. Most of those horses are not pet or companion animals outside their primary function in sport, competition, the social mileu of same, and yes, the monetary VALUE all these things represent. Were that the case,
Dobbin would be in your backyard, eating apples. In pricey suburbia, backyard barns are now a thing of the past.

So how long, folks, are you going to hold onto your horses if those touting an open-ended lockdown of 12-18 months plus hold sway? We have never developed a vaccine successfully for most viruses, e.g. HIV.

How “safe” do you need to feel to be able to go back to the barn? Do you have a time limit on how long you’d stay away before selling your horse? And who in the world would even be buying?

I see a train wreck ahead for the entire horse industry; an epoch-changing one like the early-mid 20th century if this doesn’t lighten up really soon. People, kids especially, will simply get out of horses, forget all about riding, find other pastimes like the next big thing from Tech, and harried, money-stressed parents will breathe a sigh of relief as the entire expensive, time-demanding, hazardous, inconvenient, anachronistic equestrian sport and business cease to exist. This could happen as soon as next fall.

Unless you abandon this illusion of safety NOW and find a way to run your business with intelligent, appropriate, science-based social-distancing precautions. I sincerely hope American ingenuity is still equal to that task.

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This comment makes me think you’re independently wealthy and money must be no object to you. I respect that you made a decision and are sticking to it, but I’m sure your stance will force some if not all of your clients to eventually leave if this goes on for more than another month or two. The economics of this will touch about everyone that isn’t in the top .5% of wealth and most folks won’t be able to justify paying full training board for a horse that is nothing more than a stall ornament to them.

Question for all the barn owners that have completely shut down - Have you offered any accommodations to your boarders for the reduced services/amenities you are providing? Are you providing free training rides because you don’t allow owners to come and exercise their horse? Or are you just using this as an opportunity to charge clients training fees to try to make up for all the money you are bleeding out because you aren’t giving lessons or taking your clients to shows?

Good luck to you and fingers crossed for you that your clients are the Gates, Jobs, and Springsteens of the horse world.

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I doubt it. Many with horses aren’t being that petty. If people want to leave because BO’s are taking this seriously fine. I also wouldn’t expect them to be welcomed back when things go south at the new barn.

From what I can tell since I have explored boarding at Kirbydogs, she runs an excellent barn, makes her expectations known to both clients and staff, and sticks to those expectations. Her barn will probably be fine because she is a professional, communicates clearly and vets her clients as much as her perspective clients vet her.

I think it’s quite a leap to accuse Kirbydog and other BOs of using this pandemic to get more money out of clients.

I wouldn’t dream of pulling my horse from my barn because they closed to boarders during a major public health crisis. My salary is on the low end for horse ownership. Cost vs benefit is always good and I routinely re-evaluate. I will not re-evaluate when things are closed due to a pandemic if I can otherwise afford it. That hurts more people financially for purely selfish reasons. I would think, if the cost and benefits analysis has margins that are that slim, one would just not own a horse.

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If a boarder gets hurt, not seriously but still needs to hit the urgent Care, and catches this…

This has not peaked upstate. North of NYC you are weeks or a month behind this disaster.

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