OMG What is wrong with people?!?! If you have a stud, build a fence!!!

[MistyBlue]

Funny I remember a post like this a few months back in which the OP was told it wasn’t the SO’s fault she had a mare. Except her mare didn’t have a few scratches, she got pretty banged up.

IIRC that thread was about a mare that backed up to the fence and kicked at the neighboring stallion through the fence and cut herself up pretty badly. The stallion stayed on his own side and the mare injured herself. Big difference IMO between that and a stallion coming through or over a fence and breeding mares on a different property.

[mkevent]

AAAAGGHHH! I had this problem this past winter and luckily the stallion couldn’t get into the pasture with my mare-not that he wasn’t trying his best!!
I definitely agree with above posters-especially the electric fence-the kind with the long insulators so the wire is way outside the fenceline.
I’ve never had luck with shared fencelines-it just seems to lead to problems regardless.
Hope the mares are ok and the idiot neighbors make lots of money selling that incredibly desirable Gypsy Vanner stallion to another idiot with better fencing!

[fordtraktor]

Maybe it is just me, but I don’t do shared fence lines that are barely passable for geldings. I assume that I need to fence other people’s crap out of my fields just as much as I need to keep my horses in, and try to fence my fields accordingly. I would be kicking myself too if this happened on my watch and consider myself just as much to blame as neighbor --after all, both parties knew the fence was crap, stallion or not.

There is a lot of truth to the statement that good fences make good neighbors.

[Jasmine]

Lutalyse. One shot, poof, no majickal GV baby.

And call the AC officer in that area and figure out what they are required by law to have for a stallion. In WI, the rules are pretty strict. The stallion owner is up a creek without a paddle if they don’t comply.

[Auventera_Two]

As far as I know, most states do have strict fencing laws. For instance, here’s the PDF for the fencing laws in my state (WI):

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0090.pdf

For instance, the WI law even gives passers by the legal right to report property owners who have not kept fences in good repair. The rules are very strict about the construction of fencing down to the spacing of the wires/boards, etc. the total height of the fence and so forth.

More detailed laws regarding the containment of farm animals and talk about stallions specifically:
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0172.pdf

There’s more but I don’t have time to dig up the links. I think there are laws about insurance in this state also. I already carry a 1 million umbrella policy anyway so I haven’t looked into that since aquiring a stallion. But anyway, most states have similar laws and statutes so it would definitely be worth looking into.

[Sandy_M]

and for Pete’s sake, present the vet bill to the SO, and take 'em to Small Claims if they don’t pay up. Idiots.

I’d tell them that if she had had a GV baby, it would have decreased HER value. LOL Woudn’t want anyone to know THAT had happened.

[jacksmom]

sorry that your clients have asshats for neighbors.

i wonder what the law would say about this wayward colt - essentially he’s harassing the neighbors livestock. presenting (IMHO) a VERY dangerous situation, and if he were a dog she’d probably be well within her rights to shoot him. she may be entitled to do that. if it were me, i’d double check that, and if it’s true, inform the CO’s - it might inspire them to fortify their fenceline…

[misita]

OMGosh Phoenix!!! It would be sooo funny if it weren’t so serious!:eek: First off, your clients don’t need to do the whole untra sound thing. They can just give the mare a shot of prostaglandin at day 16. Do check with the vet though to make sure my day is correct. Bravo once jumped the fence and bred a 2 year old filly!!

I’m so glad your client didn’t get hurt. That is a VERY dangerous situation and she could be killed. When Bravo bred the 2 year old, I called for help before I interferred. Then, I waited until the love birds were done. I know that’s an unpleasant thought but stallions ARE dangerous! And, mares in heat can be just as dangerous.

Bravo was ready to breed at 10 months. He was fully aware that he was a stallion AND every mare on the property was fully aware he was too. Now I know that most colts aren’t ready to breed that young but some are and a 2 1/2 year old colt is almost certainly potent, ready and able.

Good luck Phoenix. What a scary situation.

[misita]

[QUOTE=Janet;4137411]
It sounds as if there is just one fence between the horses.

Who owns the fence?
Who is responsible for maintaining the fence?[/QUOTE]

The stallion owner is always responsible for keeping people and other horses safe. Always. Folks who won’t take responsiblity for their stud should not have one. I always have to be much more careful than the other horse owners at shows because I own the stud and HE is my responsibility. Even when the rider right in front of him is sticking her ‘in heat’ mares butt right in his face. You see, the average person is just not expecting to have to deal with a stud, and are not prepared to do so.

I agree with Tracktor that with regular old geldings and mares, it is both parties responsibility to provide fencing but not when stallions are involved.

It is ALWAYS the stallion owners responsibility for all those around them and their stallion! Your average horse fence is not sufficient for the average stallion.

[prairiewind2]

[QUOTE=Rancher;4137218]
I am about to have a similar situation on my hands. I just found out that the 160 fenced acres that I bought is surrounded with loose horses that belong to an indian reservation. One for sure is a stallion. They don’t HAVE to fence them in…and apparently they don’t have to keep them on reserve land. So now I have to eventually build an interior fence all around my property to keep my horses away from the fence line. I just spent the weekend building a 30 acre holding pasture in the middle that will hopefully be enough of a barrier to keep the others away. I am so mad. I shouldn’t HAVE to double fence my horses in just because of a loose stallion.[/QUOTE]

Wyoming is fence-it-out territory as well. IOW, if you don’t want someone else’s livestock on your property, you have to fence it out. It’s not up to the owner to keep it off your property. I grew up in cities in the Midwest, and this was a novel concept to me when I moved out here. But I understand the genesis of the laws now, and kind of like them. I like not having every single aspect of my life controlled by big gov - though of course it isn’t always convenient. :lol:

However, this probably isn’t the case where the OP lives.

[Nancy1]

Lutalyse is your friend. I would have the vet out and have her looked at and then given a shot of Lutalyse to bring her back into heat. In effect, aborting any pregnancy that might have started. Then I would present the bills (probably 2 because I don’t think the vet can give it to the mare until she is out of heat) to the irresponsible jerk. I would inform him that it was the cost to check out if she was okay and the cost to abort the unwanted, unregisterable pregnancy.

Good luck with new electric fencing.

Nancy!

[JoZ]

There was just a big Gypsy dispersal in which, as one might have predicted, 2-4 zeroes were surgically removed from the ends of their price tags. So majikal ownership will not now be limited to the rich and foolish. Yippee skippy… :eek:

[meaty_ogre]

Wow. I suppose a GV colt is too big to SSS. (Calm down folks, I’m kidding…I’m not a good enough shot to actually shoot a colt and risk hitting my own horse! And seriously I wouldn’t shoot a horse for acting like a horse when it’s the owners dumbness)

I’m glad the mare owners are taking steps to reinforce the fence since the idiot neighbors are probably too clueless. If you’re in CA here’s the fencing laws:
http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/fence/ca_fnc.htm
Does appear to be a fence out state but that is not necessarily a complete bar to collecting in a civil trespass case. Also, refer to the “taker-up” of estrays sections. If the colt ever did get on my property again God forbid, (and if it could be done safely) I’d grab his sorry but and stuff it ina stall, and then present the owners with a bill for my mare’s vet care and for keeping the estray before they could have him back. And I’d be sure to point out the section where the taker-up can’t be held liable for injury or death to the estray, just to scare them good.

[Equibrit]

@JoZ;4138347

There was just a big Gypsy dispersal in which, as one might have predicted, 2-4 zeroes were surgically removed from the ends of their price tags. So majikal ownership will not now be limited to the rich and foolish. Yippee skippy… :eek:

A graduate probably made his way to Sonoma County. SSS as in SNIP SNIP SNIP ??

[Equilibrium]

I don’t see it as that much of a different situation to the one a few months ago. Shared fence line and no knowledge of said stud horse being there. Poster a few months back would have been happy to move her horse if she had known.

If this had been a situation where the fence didn’t break and client’s horse was hurt, she’d still be fuming. And I agree with both!

We have a shared fence line where I am. We have a hedge and post and rail fencing with electric on top. But If I were to get a stallion, I am most likely going to keep him on another part of the property where the risk is lower for him to hurt or breed someone elses horse. Most likely our fencing would suffice, but hey I think I have the responsiblilty in this situation.

But I will say this much for both posters. Both young stud horses in each situation don’t appear to have been handled very well from a young age and neither stud owner gave a crap about anyone elses horses. I’m sure in either situation if the mare owners were given notice they would have changed something and made their fencing stallion proof if said stallion owners didn’t feel the need. It’s unfair to think either should be totally responsible in a situation they didn’t know was happening until too late. Kicking out at a situation a filly didn’t want to be in or being bred by horse escaping into where your horses are kept. Both to me are irresponsible on the part of young stud horses owners.

Terri

[Watermark_Farm]

Heather, your clients should contact Bob Garcia, the director of Sonoma County Animal Control, and talk to him about this incident. I’m not sure of any regulations regarding stallion fencing or housing, but there are very strict rules about “worrying” of livestock, especially if they are in an area with Ag. zoning. My neighbors would not confine their dog and it kept coming onto my property and chasing my horses. I filed a complaint with SCACC and they offered to file misdemeanor charges against the neighbors. The threat of such was finally enough to get the neighbors to take things seriously. Once they realized I could prove they were negligent in containing their animals, and that they had tremendous liability with the dog running loose, I think they “got” just how big things could get it a child/adult/horse/dog were injured as a result of their dog running loose.

This family should document everything in writing and at the very least present the neighbors with a bill for the vet work and get them to pay for half of fencing upgrades. They should document this incident with a letter to Bob Garcia so that if it happens again, there will be better grounds for legal action.

[tikidoc]

[QUOTE=Trakehner;4137395]
Uh, a filly is fertile, a colt is potent.[/QUOTE]

Definition of fertile:

"Adjective

* S: (adj) fertile (capable of reproducing)
* S: (adj) fecund, fertile, prolific (intellectually productive) "a prolific writer"; "a fecund imagination"
* S: (adj) prolific, fertile (bearing in abundance especially offspring) "flying foxes are extremely prolific"; "a prolific pear tree"
* S: (adj) fat, fertile, productive, rich (marked by great fruitfulness) "fertile farmland"; "a fat land"; "a productive vineyard"; "rich soil""

Capable of reproducing is not gender specific, at least in a generic (non-species specific) sense. The term is certainly used to refer to males (as in “male infertility”).

[DairyQueen2049]

[quote=Jasmine;4137615]
Lutalyse. One shot, poof, no majickal GV baby.

[quote]

snork!!!:lol:

[meaty_ogre]

[QUOTE=Equibrit;4138409]
A graduate probably made his way to Sonoma County. SSS as in SNIP SNIP SNIP ??[/QUOTE]

shoot, shovel and shut-up, but snip, snip, snip would work just as well I guess!

[Rancher]

[QUOTE=prairiewind2;4137879]
Wyoming is fence-it-out territory as well. IOW, if you don’t want someone else’s livestock on your property, you have to fence it out. It’s not up to the owner to keep it off your property. I grew up in cities in the Midwest, and this was a novel concept to me when I moved out here. But I understand the genesis of the laws now, and kind of like them. I like not having every single aspect of my life controlled by big gov - though of course it isn’t always convenient. :lol:

However, this probably isn’t the case where the OP lives.[/QUOTE]

I do not live where there is a fence out law. If I let my horses run loose the cops would be knocking on my door. Some people live above the law I guess. The average person can not allow their livestock to run loose across people’s private property and if they damage something you will have to pay for it.