one rein stop - emergency breaks?

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It is odd to me how the “one rein stop” seems to have replaced the pully rein. They are not the same thing. I am required to teach the Pully rein or emergency stop to all my lesson students as per my insurance. I imagine that is fairly standard.

I do find it effective as a lesson as it gives riders an idea of what to do to balance themselves if they feel they are going faster than they would like and unable to slow down fast enough. I have used the pulley rein on horses that have gotten rude/quick (say after a jump) although not for a while now!

I think what many people are using when they talk about one rein stops is in fact a pulley rein.[/QUOTE]

Not really, a one rein stop seems to be pulling the head to the side until the horse moves it’s hindend around and eventually decides to just stand there, which is supposed to keep it from taking off.

One problem I see is that whatever reason the horse had to want to take off, it probably will try to act up again, as soon as it is given it’s head, unless the rider is skillful in changing it’s mind.

Here are a whole bunch of one rein stops, as several people understand them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmpDSbXPtzU&feature=PlayList&p=B29C1982FBFF557B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=41

All my horses get taught one rein stops AHEAD OF TIME!!! This is just another training move. teach it to them and practice it regularly. First, read about it and learn how to train your horse. It’s not just a pull on one rein, it’s a disengagement of the hindquarter which results in the horse moving the hind quarters to one side and stepping over or across with the inside hind leg.

Start with doing it at the walk and move up to faster gaits gradually. Do it regularly so they stay attuned towhat you are asking for. You don’t have to make it a full stop every time. I use a partial ORS it to remind a strong horse to back off and lighten up or I will do a full stop. It doesn’t have to be an abrupt move either. My younger horse went thru a phase of bolting suddenly when he heard a scarey noise (like a squirrel running thru leaves!) and I did a number of ORS from a power sprint and we didn’t tip over or crash.

Teach it, practice it and your horse will know what it is and respond well. Don’t just spring it on him out of the blue.

Before the ORS your horse needs to be taught how to yield their head. Try this site for some ideas.

http://www.naturalhorsetraining.com/trainingtips94.html

chicamuxen

I have my horse yield her head like shown in these ORS videos every day - but not to practice ORS…it’s what we do in our daily routine to get her stiff neck limber, and to remind her that she can bend in tack (ex-trotter). I would never, ever have bent her head like that at a at a gallop. Heck, I’m not sure I could have physically moved her head at that point. Do people REALLY use it from a gallop? Yikes.

Will make a point to use more “whoa” vocally.

I wouldn’t use a one rein stop on a horse at a gallop. If you use the one rein stop at an all out gallop, you and the horse are gonna die.

Here’s what I think.

If you intend for her to gallop, let her gallop. Lay flat, grab mane and push on.

You need to gallop where she is going in an oval, around the edge of a field or track, so she can run herself out. No sense asking her to run if you’re only going to stop her before she’s ready.

A runaway horse can only run for so long, and it isn’t long, like two miles, before you sure could stop. Stand in the stirrups, and let her come back down on her own. She shouldn’t bounce to a stop at a gallop, she’s got to come back, and there’s alot of adrenaline to get through. Be patient, and don’t expect her to respond like she was in a ring. Remember, you asked her for the gallop.

You should be doing a breeze, fast gallop but not all out. Rig her correctly for this - put a running martingale on her to help from keeping her head from flying up at you, but you can’t tie her down witha standing. Give her a figure eight noseband to keep her mouth shut, but allow her full breath. She sounds like she’s got the bit in her teeth, so to speak. You can’t stop a horse who sets their jaw against you.

Use a french link or doctor bristol; you need more connection to her mouth and the nutcracker of a snaffle will cause her to drop her jaw and avoid the bit. Think of a different bit, but mostly you need a dropped noseband/figure eight to keep her mouth shut.

If you have her mouth shut, running martingale, and an oval track to let her blow out on, you shouldn’t be having this problem. You don’t want to run her straight and then ask her to come back at the end. You need alot of room to come down slowly.

If she was on the track before, you are putting her into the oldl mindset, which is a strong instinct to run, whether she was a trotter or runner, its a race workout, and if you try to bring her back early, its going to be frustrating for her. Just let her run.

Sorry – I have to disagree with most of this. None of this is training – it’s just using various mechanicals to out muscle the mare.

If you want to train her, TRAIN HER.

First of all, I think the OP said she is a standardbred – at least I think that’s what STB stands for. So galloping with a rider on her back is not a “trigger” for her.

And even if she is an OTTB, most of them are trained to pull up when you ask, even if they are breezing. Granted, many of them are barely trained, but they certainly are expected to stop when you ask and not just gallop till they are tired. Trainers would fire your butt if you just let the horse run like that.

Yes, you “asked them to gallop.” Now you are asking them to NOT gallop – so they should be able to comply.

I do agree with galloping on an oval; that just ensures the safety of the enterprise. Like one poster said, there is an old racetrack expression, “I can ride as far as you can run.” So if you get in trouble, just keep steering her in a big circle and relax – eventually she will get tired.

But the idea is to establish some control where that doesn’t happen very often.

Another point: t’s been my experience (working on the track for quite afew years) that an all out run doesn’t really calm a horse down at all - - it charges them up. So if you are trying to “calm” the horse by doing this, it’s not going to work. You will find she gets more and more excited as you approach the place where you run, prancing, etc.

Now, an all out run is different than a controlled gallop – hand gallop we used to call it. But that can easily turn into a runaway if you don’t have brakes.

So I would have to ask the OP exactly WHY you are doing this again?

HOnestly, if you really want to blow some steam off of her in a controlled way, trot her up some hills…:wink:

When we first started training my blind horse, if he bolted, I could have his head on my knee and he’d still be going straight no matter what the gait. We very quickly came up with other ways of working with him than the ORS. And he didn’t get to be allowed above a trot out of an arena for a VERY LONG TIME. I still remember how liberating it was the first time I said “to heck with it” and gave him his head on the trail … and how thrilled I was when I sat back, lifted the reins, and he slowed down and relaxed to me. :wink: Not sure if I can get him to gallop straight with his head on my knee now (nor do I want to!) but boy, did he baffle a few trainers when he was starting out.

That said - common practice around here is a one rein stop that takes a while. If your horse bolts, you do a “one rein stop” that involves circling and making the circles smaller and smaller. Absolutely suicide to try and disengage the hindquarters and come to a fast, unbalanced stop at a gallop. But keeping steady pressure on one rein and circling smaller and small WILL require the horse to slow down and eventually stop.

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So I would have to ask the OP exactly WHY you are doing this again?

Honestly, if you really want to blow some steam off of her in a controlled way, trot her up some hills…;)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for asking Kyz…I’d like to explore this question too: my mare is indeed a Standardbred and I am her first rider. We do ring work and we’re working on bending and moving less like a train, more over the back instead of a hollow (it took her 12 days to get her head down and relax her back at walk) - we are still at walk now because she is so stiff and I’m in no hurry. I’d consider this our first 30 days of consistent and focused schooling. She tries hard but can get to a point where she feels tense, so I am trying to find a way to decompress and get re-focused. The gallop worked well for about a week because we’d do more of a hand-gallop and then go back to the arena and finish up on an excellent note, cool down and get a bath. It seemed perfect at first! :confused:

Ultimately I want this mare to be comfortable hacking to mix up the lessons because we’re making wonderful progress. She is a pleasure horse, I won’t show or compete, but I want her well rounded. She gets too excited outside of the ring so I’m inching (literally) farther and farther away at the walk but she has definite boundaries. I’d love some ideas to make arena work and lessons more interesting - trotting for her is really the same speed as a hand gallop sigh and probably equally as exhilarating for her.

I appreciate the thoughtful responses to my post. It’s been helpful to us.

In my lexicon, that is not a one rein stop. That is simply circling until you have sufficient calmness and control to get a halt. Been doing that sort of thing as needed for a half century, long before the modern marketing of the ‘OSR.’:slight_smile:

First season I hunted my OTTB after he lost an eye, sure, you could turn his head so the blind eye was leading and he’d come right back to you- and he soon decided aw, Mom will keep me out of trouble, I’ll just keep on trucking while leading with my blind eye. But- no- even though arguably a hunt field gallop, a long way from a flat out gallop. As you note, when you give 'em their head and relax about it- you have control. Much of what is called ‘galloping’ or ‘bolting’ that requires a ORS is in my opinion simply fear in the head of the rider- horse isn’t ‘really’ going anywhere, but because rider is tense and afraid it truly feels like insufficient control.

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Much of what is called ‘galloping’ or ‘bolting’ that requires a ORS is in my opinion simply fear in the head of the rider- horse isn’t ‘really’ going anywhere, but because rider is tense and afraid it truly feels like insufficient control.[/QUOTE]

Agreed! My sister and I “rehabbed” a 20 year old Appaloosa that was in a rescue program but was listed as a “runaway” and a “bolter” so had absolutely no interest. He wasn’t horribly attractive either. But we figured we’d evaluate him and put some time on him and see if we could help with his “runaway” tendencies. Got on him and turns out he was one of the most well broke horses I have ever ridden. He was immediately responsive in all gaits, neck reined with the flick of a finger, went anywhere you pointed him, through water, in traffic, you name it, and never took a step out of line. His canter was FAST though. It was controlled, and he was listening and responsive … but very fast. While we understand why someone might think he felt like he was “running away” it absolutely was not. He spent about six weeks with us and the rescue posted our very lengthy evaluation on their site and he was adopted very quickly after that. Went to the plains of North Dakota to be a 14 yr old boy’s horse, and from what I hear they rode all over the prairies and hills together, bareback, in a halter. Unfortunately after about a year together he was struck by lightening and had to be put down … but I’m forever grateful that we took a chance on him and that he had the perfect home for the end of his life.

Tif, that’s a nice story - and I think you are spot on with the bolter theory. When people tell me about a problem their horse has I try to consider the source.

HA – I know next to nothing about STBs and the way they are trained, but I know that most of them DO travel in some sort of device that keeps their head up (like an overcheck), so I’m not surprised she is stiff.

First, help me out by describing your set-up – you say she is nervous outside the arena, but then you mention galloping her in a field. How far is this field from your arena?

If I were you, I would try alot of the natural horsemanship sort of ground work (of which the ORS is one) – not necessarily round-penning, but the in-hand stuff. The purpose of most of these exercises is to remove “braces” or blocks from the horse – in other words, stiffness.

I’ve also found it really helps establish a bond between horse and handler as well and gets the horse to really focus and trust you. The gal I told you about who did the vocal cues spent almost 6 months on ground work on this horse before she got on him – one of the exercises she did was to walk next to him (remember always do both sides) and – on a totally loose lead rope – the horse had to “match” her pace. And I mean, EXACTLY. So his ears never got past her shoulder/arm. When she walked slowly, so did he. When she turned he did as well. If you’ve ever trained a dog to heel – it’s like that.

There are alot of great dvd’s out there by Parelli, Clint Anderson, Buck Brannaman, Peter Campbell, Martin Black, John Lyons – LOTS of guys. You don’t have to stick to one particular method, but the goal is to establish a stong leader/follower bond, reduce stiffness or braces in the horse, and to teach them to turn to you in times of trouble, rather than just reacting. I am firmly convinced all of this stuff will pay big dividends when you get the horse going u/s.

You don’t have to buy the dvds – there use to be a place online that rented them – try Googling and see what you come up with.

Also there is a GREAT book on horse stretches, but you can find alot of the movements online if you Google “carrot stretches.” If you start each training session with this, I bet you’ll find it helps loosen her up.

And you do need to start getting her out of the arena. If you aren’t confident enough to ride her (and that’s ok), take her on long walks. If you have another solid riding horse and feel comfortable doing it, there is nothing better than ponying them, so that is another option.

Meanwhile, start exposing her to “scary stuff” in the arena (start with you on the ground) – use your imagination – and gradually she will start to learn to accept weird stuff if you say it’s ok.

Now, when you are riding her, are you trying to get her to come forward into the contact or are you riding her on a loose rein? I guess I’m asking what sort of “style” you are trying to train her in.

If it was me, I would bag the gallops for now. IMHO the MOST important aspect of working with a greenie is to keep them relaxed, and galloping the way you described really doesn’t do that – in fact, as I mentioned before, it tends to do the opposite.

Hope this helps alittle…

I think the ORS has to be practiced in non-emergency situations until it’s a conditioned response, at all three gaits. Then, in an emergency situation, you’re not just pulling the horse off balance by force; you’re invoking an conditioned response that the horse is used to and comfortable with.

Since I’m into clicker training, I always follow this up with a click and a treat.

So in the rare emergency (and I have used the ORS in an emergency), not only does my horse stop, but then he hears the click and his mind totally, immediately switches gears from the spook to the anticipated treat.

I have a difficult horse, and this combination has been useful to us. I’ve never had to use it on a full-blown runaway gallop (thank you, God); but I’ve been able to invoke it at the first stride of a spook bolt, and the situation was resolved within seconds.

OSR ? Is that the tried and true Oh SHi! Response to the horse bolting? You know, grab the horn, monkey up those legs, and shriek like a baby? :wink:

I believe that is the term in some parts of the country. For me the acronym is WGDI. Whoa, Gosh Darn it…:cool:

ROFLMAO :wink:

Or there’s always Yosemite Sam’s version of the “one rein stop.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL9slHxN6EM

Sorry it’s not in English, but I’m sure you can figure out what Sam’s saying. :smiley:

G.

This is what I have trouble understanding. Why are you simply not schooling the correct, plain old halt at all three gaits? ALL horse training is intended to overcome their natural fears and instincts- so yeah, horse bolts, you ask for halt, you GET a halt if you have schooled for it, in an arena, at all three gaits.

It’s a pretty important thing to teach beginner riders, too. And so again I wonder, why confuse a novice who might in turn confuse the horse as to what is being asked?

Mine are schooled with the normal hands on signals (leg, seat hands), and just a plain old verbal whoa. So, while there are times when disengaging the hind end on the trail is useful for training or attention-getting or other reasons, I just don’t know why I’d want to use that to stop a horse, when they KNOW the standard ‘request’ for a stop, from the simple ‘whoa’ to the aforementioned WGDI (which would be, if need be, the pulley rein referenced earlier).