Op Piece - Banning Whips in Competition

It’s the word Social License. It’s a puff word and it doesn’t sit well with me. Why do we need a license to have fun with our horses? Then social? It’s screams tiktok crap.

“Social License to operate”. So a bunch of internet people have a say on our sport? Without their “blessing to operate” we can’t ride or hold shows anymore even though they have no clue about it?

The word is crap and thrown about by psychotic people who want to invade spaces or control others. Like that one crazy lady that wants to Rumage though other people’s tack lockers. Then this Matt guy wants to ban whips so he can feel better about himself and walk around like he’s doing the world a favor. It’s all about controlling others.

What’s next? Banning spurs, bits and saddles?

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Do you agree with cockfighting, dog fighting, bull fighting? Do you agree with Big Lick Walking Horses?

If you don’t, then you understand very well what social license is - the power of outsiders who want to ban things that they label “animal cruelty”. Bullfighting, for instance, is illegal in many countries in recognition that the form in which the bull is maimed or killed, is cruel to the bull.

There are two aspects to the social license: a) we should not abuse animals in practice (the act of doing it); and b) we should not be seen to abuse animals (what appears to be animal abuse and/or lack of animal welfare to the general public).

For the second aspect, it’s not the extreme animal rights protester we are trying to appease. It’s the general public. The general public will control if we can continue to use animals the way we want to, if we don’t monitor ourselves and self-regulate first.

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Yes, thank you. Taking public perception seriously and addressing their concerns seriously, even if you personally don’t see a practice as abusive or a tool as almost “per say” abusive, is integral to helping a sport involving animals survive long-term - especially at a high level like the Olympics. It’s important to have these discussions and there will be continual shift and evolution in what standards are acceptable for equine sport, and public perception is an important factor in those discussions.

I don’t actually have a strong opinion either way on the whip rule, but I think it brings up important discussion and I think it highlights the fact that use of these types of tools is very easily misunderstood, and we should be making efforts to both reduce use that would be easily misunderstood (and obviously reduce abusive use generally), and to understand how these tools are being interpreted - there’s a public education element here, too.

I’ve considered how using a whip is and would be viewed in the context of training other animals…in some contexts, like elephant training, just the presence of the whip is naturally repulsive to the general public (me included). Obviously very different context, but whips and animals do trigger a strong response quite easily…How would you feel about someone using a whip on a dog in training? I’m not saying the impact on the animal is the same, or that either is inherently abusive - but with most other animals, I do feel suspicious/distaste towards whip use. Whips carry a significant negative connotation in most contexts.

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It’s not as all-or-nothing as you’re making it. An inability to see nuance and value in discussion and debate is…not surprising given our political climate, but still disappointing.

Social license to operate refers to the desire to see, and general approval of, a given sport, activity, etc by the public. To exist as a public sport, you either must be unseen - as plenty of backyard horse sports and training methods are; activities that haven’t garnered much attention and aren’t in the olympics, haven’t spent much time in the headlines positively or negatively - OR (for an obvious example, if seen on a broad scale like a sport that is in the Olympics and garners headlines) you must be generally approved, or at least not disapproved, by the public. Lose public support/gain public DISAPPROVAL and you will lose, for sake of simplicity and easy understanding, the Olympics.

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I think the whip in dressage is misused just as much, if not more, than in eventing. Not sure where you inferred otherwise. I have not said my feelings about the rule, but more about whether rule changes such as this should be taken seriously. I think they should.

I think this is an interesting take - especially w/r/t other animals. It is unfortunate but not unexpected that many folks correlate whip use w/ beating the animal - similar to the way choke or spike or E-collars are correlated to choking or shocking to death the dog. I find both as simple tools to elicit the softest response w/ the lightest aid. I use a tap from my dressage whip - no more than a tap - to keep me from over-nagging w/ my leg on my young horse. He hears this more clearly and responds nicely - he is becoming more forward. To me, this is an appropriate use which teaches the horse to respond to a lighter leg aid. I have an arm injury right now, which limits my ability to pull against a dog on a leash. Our older dog, who can lean into the collar - using the spike collar as a reminder not to lean - worked like a charm to get him to heel again properly. It never was used harsher than a gentle check. For a cross species example, I would not see any harm in using a dressage whip to elongate my reach to teach a pointing dog to whoa (not that it’s used this way) but from the side I could see it being used in front the stifle as simply a holding aid (not even a tap).

I think proper discussion w/ people and the public is the best way forward. They are tools only; beating or choking/harsh pulls should not be tolerated and considered abusive; proper use leads to more comfort and ease of the animal to perform its job the best.

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I use a racing whip as well.

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A large part of the issue is that the general public these days is becoming less and less tolerant of the idea of “using” animals for anything other than being pets. It’s no longer just the rabid peta-types that believe it’s morally wrong to ask an animal to work for human benefit no matter how kindly it’s treated; it’s a large chunk of the general public as well. Horse sports are fighting an uphill battle in that way. It’s no longer enough to prove that the horse isn’t suffering or abused and lives an overall happy life where he’s well cared for and all his needs are met. We essentially have to prove that the horse prefers being ridden over chilling in the field with his friends all day while having all his meals and veterinary care provided for free.

It always strikes me as odd that these people think it’s morally wrong for animals to be expected to earn their keep when they have no issues with humans needing to work for a living… but it’s where we are.

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I could not disagree with this more strongly.

The primary purpose should be to reinforce the rider’s aids. It can help fine-tune for a reaction that the rider may see needed before the horse. When used correctly, it helps clarify signals to promote better understanding and responsiveness from the horse. Even FEI level riders and horses may need the help.

It should be being used as a communication aid and not as punishment 95 % of the time. I am not opposed to a judicious tap when warranted . The tap should follow the rider’s natural aids immediately.

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I would imagine if the whip is really only used as a tap-tap reminder and not as a punishment, a very good middle ground for this whole thing is to require the whips to be the foamy race type, that are claimed to not be able to leave a mark no matter how hard you use them.

Seems simple to me!

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I had this thread in mind this morning. I rode with my whip, as I always do. And I must tell you, dear internet, that today I used my whip on my horse’s head and ears. Repeatedly. Because the bugs were so bad that she was leaping and flailing (she was covered in fly spray, but she’s a sensitive type), and the only way I could get her to calm down for a moment was to reach forward and use my whip to clear her ears/cheeks/poll/neck of the bugs.

I felt badly that they were driving her so crazy, but I couldn’t help but laugh. Not only is she pretty clearly not remotely concerned or scared of the whip, she’s begging me to use it on her head and will only relax once I do. These things are just not black and white no matter how much you try to force them to be.

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I did the same thing with mine yesterday on the trail. It was hot and the deer flies were obnoxious. It also gets regularly used to lifting thorny brush out of the way so it doesn’t poke my horse or snag me breeches.

Because I have a horse that tends toward the lazy side, it also gets used as a reminder to move forward off my leg … first as a light tickle, then a gentle tap, then a firmer tap if I still don’t have his attention. But he’s still not afraid of the whip, because it’s been used only as an aid, not as a tool of abuse.

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I purchased a cheap whip and wrapped it with vet wrap so it’s thicker at the bottom and use it to kill biting flys. If you wrap with sticky tape, they stick and you just smoosh and flick off.

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