Outcome of the FEI dressage judging thing

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Stallions don’t produce.[/QUOTE]

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Lovari’s sire is Lasino, sired, by Landgraf I, and considered by warmblood breeders around the globe to be arguably Stallion of the Century. Of all the Ladykiller sons, Landgraf I was able to assert himself the best. He is the most successful sire of show jumpers in history and has produced 130 approved stallion sons who are active in every breed association in Germany and most associations across Europe and the United States

Yes? And? What were the issues at the meeting? The communications about judging were what exactly? Reixhinger reviewing his own scores and pronouncing himself satisfied that there could be no criticism of his scores proves what, exactly? This was about as transparent as mud - unlike the very transparent favoritism.

Mrs Withages said she had received a number of communications about judging and, while she did not pass them on to the judges, she thought it important to investigate.

The president of the ground jury, Gotthilf Reixhinger, also said he had received a call from someone who wanted to discuss the principles of judging, but he did not regard it as appropriate and ended the call.

He said he had reviewed his marking against that of other members of the jury to satisfy himself that there could be no valid criticism.

A paper by Chris Hodson, FEI vice-president, concludes: "The judges agreed that the best course is transparency, meaning a willingness to discuss markings and principles with athletes and the media; this is already being done, but as always can be improved.

"I am clear that the judging was not affected and that the two meetings produced common understanding. The first meeting should have been notified to all.

“The procedure will be tightened so that this will not happen again.”

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Reixhinger reviewing his own scores and pronouncing himself satisfied that there could be no criticism of his scores [/QUOTE]

This reminds me of so many heads of state. Perhaps he should run for office.

Didn’t anyone notice that HP’s choreography is a rip off of Anky’s Esprit Chanson?? The mare was brilliant in the beginning, really super forward, energetic, but she lost it at the end and was resistant against the leg in the piaffe. Bronze medal, I don’t think so!

LOL…very good!

What are we assuming the evil and all powerful Whittages said in that early morning meeting?

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What are we assuming the evil and all powerful Whittages said in that early morning meeting?[/QUOTE]

You usually imagine whatever you like.

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Bulls don’t produce offspring either.
Mares and cows do.

It is common to speak of a stallion ‘producing’ licensed offspring, without falling into the belief that the offpsring emerged from the stallion’s womb. This should not be so difficult to understand.:wink:

It may be common - not correct however!

Representatives of the German, Dutch, Danish and American dressage teams met the ground jury, appeal committee and two FEI officials at 1.30am last Monday morning, more than 36 hours before the whole competition had ended.

The partyanimals were still awake:D the rest probably went to bed already:confused:

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Stallions don’t produce.[/QUOTE]
Sure they do. They produce sperm. :lol::lol::lol:

Exactly - but not foals.

Responding to Theo

“What I really didn’t understand from Courtney is that she didn’t Pull The Throttle in the GPS and the FTM.”

Don’t forget that the American horses traveled the furthest to get to HK and on a very stressed timetable. CK is from the east–Connecticut. She flew to California to qualify with Mythilus in late June. After she made the team, she flew to Europe to enter quarantine at Aachen. Then she flew to HK and competed there.

After all that travel, perhaps Mythilus was not mentally or physically fit enough to prevail at three Olympic level competitions in HK. He and Courtney are relatively green as a pair at that level.

This is a simple enough explanation for the disappointing Special and Freestyle after that more than pleasing Grand Prix.

The same could be said for Steffan in the Grand Prix. The rider was under a lot of pressure on an inexperienced horse. But all that travel could not have helped.

As for Brentina, even the older, experienced horses need to keep their exposure to the big, loud stadiums. I don’t think that mare has seen a venue like HK since Aachen 2006–where she also appeared to be lame, tense and mistake prone. She and Debbie lacked polish and coolness in a fraught atmosphere and it cost your team dearly.

But let us not forget that these riders and horses chose a long and arduous route to get to the Games. That all adds up in the end.

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“What I really didn’t understand from Courtney is that she didn’t Pull The Throttle in the GPS and the FTM.”

Don’t forget that the American horses traveled the furthest to get to HK and on a very stressed timetable. CK is from the east coast of the States. She flew to California to qualify with Mythilus at the end of June. After she made the team, she flew to Europe and quarantined at Aachen. Then she flew to HK and competed there.

After all that travel, perhaps Mythilus was not mentally or physically fit enough to prevail at three Olympic level competitions in HK. He and Courtney are relatively green as a pair at that level.

This is a simple enough explanation for the disappointing Special and Freestyle after that more than pleasing Grand Prix.

The same could be said for Steffan in the Grand Prix. The rider was under a lot of pressure on an inexperienced horse. But all that travel could not have helped.

As for Brentina, even the older, experienced horses need to keep their exposure to the big, loud stadiums. I don’t think that mare has seen a venue like HK since Aachen 2006–where she also appeared to be lame, tense and mistake prone. She and Debbie lacked polish and coolness in a fraught atmosphere and it cost your team dearly.

But let us not forget that these riders and horses chose a long and arduous route to get to the Games. That all adds up in the end.[/QUOTE]

Strange preparation for the Olympics. Did the USEF not know that the dressage was held in Hongkong :confused:

A comment posted on Kerri McGregor’s blog re the not-secret meeting

<LI class="">One bad apple spoils the barrel. It’s unfortunate Rexlinger was consistently so out to lunch…blind…or simply playing politics. The rest of the FEI O Judges got it right, did the job expected of them for most of the test movements. As always there was a couple of questionable scores given for movements not performed. On August 19 there was discussion amoung Chefs, trainers, coaches prior to the Freestyle whether or not to request the removal of Riexingler from the Individual FS panel. After a meeting we all agreed this was not our job to argue for this possibility and in doing so perhaps comprimising the resulting scores of our Athletes prior to the Freestyle Final. MOST DEFINATELY ONE Judge was the bad apple and needs to repremanded by the FEI Dressage Committee for consistently scoring incorrectly with up to 24 marks difference (5%) on several rides throughout the 3 Tests. This comprimised a “fair play” result for several Athletes while tainting the entire FEI Judges Panel whom for the most part seemingly judged fairly and accurately. A Forum is in order post competition…NOT DURING THE COMPETITION THANK YOU !!
A.B. said this on August 20, 2008 at 7:16 am

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Strange preparation for the Olympics. Did the USEF not know that the dressage was held in Hongkong :confused:[/QUOTE]

Hah! I will assume that is a rhetorical question while I point out that in sharp contrast to the successful US Jumping Team which arrived in Europe in the spring (was it April?) and competed at the big stadium events to hone their skills, the US Dressage Team seemed to arrive somewhat late in Europe and unprepared in HK.

It’s amazing and somewhat surprising that you find what Courtney and Stephen achieved, in the least bit disappointing.

I’m not at all disappointed with Courtney or Steffen’s performances. I think people had unrealistic expectations of both pairs, and that it is completely uncalled for to blame the other judges or travel (those horses travel alot), as far as the throttle thing, yeah, but she did her best. I think they did a fantastic job.

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Can’t think of another equestrian sport (besides H/J) that might be less interesting to watch (especially to JQ Public!)

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Western pleasure :slight_smile: