Jingles and good luck!
Oh, and one other thing.
Her gums were red and her sclera were bloodshot on Sunday. That seems to have cleared as her gums are now a normal pink and her sclera white again.
for all who are jingling and checking the thread, giving helpful advise/thoughts, thank you. This dog belongs to my DD and they are tightly bonded. DD is a young woman, not a child, but if we lost Tara w/o trying as much as our finances allowed, DD would be devastated.
My ederly little JRT had (has) Pancreatitis and was acting much the same way your dog was. very lethargic. just wanted to lay down…but would alternate between laying and pacing in pain. I will say that he did a lot of vomiting of bile, and since his is chronic, is a tell-tale sign that he is having a flare-up.
He spent 48 hours in the hospital with an exceptionally capable vet, and after discharge, they had us start feeding very small meals of the low-residue science diet canned food (that he lives on now…caCHING!) 5-6 times a day. sometimes he would eat, sometimes he wouldn’t. When he doesn’t eat nowadays, we can tell that he’s not feeling quite right.
Personally, I feel like your dog isn’t eating because she is still in quite a bit of pain. I might have the doctors give you a different pain killer and see if that helps. The painkillers, sub-q fluids, and anti-nausea meds were what really helped my pup turn the corner when he was at his worst.
Apparently this is exceptionally painful for them. So sad to watch them struggle!!
Jingles for Tara…
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My ederly little JRT had (has) Pancreatitis and was acting much the same way your dog was. very lethargic. just wanted to lay down…but would alternate between laying and pacing in pain. I will say that he did a lot of vomiting of bile, and since his is chronic, is a tell-tale sign that he is having a flare-up. [/QUOTE]
the lack of vomiting is really what makes me wonder if we are dealing with pancreatitis. She never did, but I am hoping that the reason is because we caught it so early, like less than 2 hours from normal > onset with symptoms. We were in the ER within 2.5 hours from no symptoms.
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the lack of vomiting is really what makes me wonder if we are dealing with pancreatitis. She never did, but I am hoping that the reason is because we caught it so early, like less than 2 hours from normal > onset with symptoms. We were in the ER within 2.5 hours from no symptoms.[/QUOTE]
Suprisingy, vomiting is not always a clinical sign of pancreatitis. I really hope she can be diagnosed with this and get supportive treatment. 
Jingles for you and your DD!
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Suprisingy, vomiting is not always a clinical sign of pancreatitis. I really hope she can be diagnosed with this and get supportive treatment. Jingles for you and your DD![/QUOTE]
O! I did not know that and assumed from the people I know who have survived this disease that the vomiting was a symptom.
ETA: of course the people I know who have had it also waited days/weeks before going to a physician for help.
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the lack of vomiting is really what makes me wonder if we are dealing with pancreatitis. She never did, but I am hoping that the reason is because we caught it so early, like less than 2 hours from normal > onset with symptoms. We were in the ER within 2.5 hours from no symptoms.[/QUOTE]
My doggie was misdiagnosed TWICE by my old vet before we got to Pancreatitis and fixed it (this happened after switching to my current vet who i love and who was on it so fast it made my head spin!)
The first two times were admittedly mild, and he didn’t vomit either, so while they are improbable, they are maybe not impossible issues your dog is having since apparently they share similar symptoms.
The first time my dog got lethargic, ouchie and anorexic, he was diagnosed with having a UTI (he was having touble peeing, and when he did, there was some blood in his urine- we lived in the city at the time so were able to see it on the sidewalk).
The second time it happened, we had SOME barfing but not much, and the vet diagnosed him as being pre-diabetic with some kidney issues.
Both incorrect diagnoses came after thorough bloodwork, ultrasounds and palpating.
The third time it happened it was much worse and i knew my vet was wrong so we went with my current vet, and have had a lot of success since then! Perhaps these are things to consider.
Good luck!
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the lack of vomiting is really what makes me wonder if we are dealing with pancreatitis. She never did, but I am hoping that the reason is because we caught it so early, like less than 2 hours from normal > onset with symptoms. We were in the ER within 2.5 hours from no symptoms.[/QUOTE]
Mine never vomited, fwiw.
Fingers crossed your girl feels better soon!
I am back from the vet, Tara is there for hospitalization through the weekend. I am very comfortable with this as I think she needs more monitoring than we can give her here.
Regular Vet feels this is neuro and I agree with that. She has no other symptoms of pancreatitis. One of the things I forgot to mention is that she has been shivering right along, which would also indicate neuro.
He is going to run some more blood work and will probably NOT add any meds to the IV till those results come back.
He did a very through exam on her, including but not limited to spinal areas, flexation of parts of her skeleton…head/neck/mouth/shoulders/spine/each leg/hindquarters. He used a pair of forceps to test for feeling in each foot, she reacted to each. He really feels like there must have been something on the ground that she ate along with the treats, rather than any neuro stuff like a clot because it is affecting all 4 quadrants rather than one side or just the front or back. She is stronger on her right side than her left. The neuro feels more in line with what I saw/see than the pancreatitis as well.
We will have to wait and see how much permanent damage there is/will be and that will take some time. I have definite limits to how much disability I can tolerate and will discuss that with DD when she comes home from work.
Interesting… hopefully something she can get over in a reasonabe time! Still jingling.
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Interesting… hopefully something she can get over in a reasonabe time! Still jingling.[/QUOTE]
I believe THIS is the culprit, and the prognosis scares me. The good thing is that she is still alive, so there is hope that we may have at least a partial recovery.
I had weed wacked along the fence and there may have been berries I did not see or leaves I did not clean up. I will not make that mistake again.
Mushrooms could also be causing symptoms like that as well, although we usually do see vomiting with mushroom toxicity cases here as well.
Toxins are hard o sort out, and often we never do determine exactly what the dog got into. However with supportive care and close monitoring a lot of them will run their course. Are you sure she is shivering and not tremoring? Giving a muscle relaxer like Robaxin can help to reduce tremors.
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Mushrooms could also be causing symptoms like that as well, although we usually do see vomiting with mushroom toxicity cases here as well.
Toxins are hard o sort out, and often we never do determine exactly what the dog got into. However with supportive care and close monitoring a lot of them will run their course. Are you sure she is shivering and not tremoring? Giving a muscle relaxer like Robaxin can help to reduce tremors.[/QUOTE]
No, I am not sure she is shivering or tremoring.
I’m pretty sure that is what must have been the culprit tho…that vine is (or was, burned on the burn pile now) everywhere around my backyard and I never gave it a thought before. Never checked to see what it was or if it was toxic. We don’t have mushrooms around here and the fact that the vine was growing up the fence near where the treats spilled AND I weed wacked it several weeks ago (found a few old berries outside the fence) makes it far more likely to be the trigger than mushrooms.
That said, Tara is a short dog with a big presence and one less dog here in the house makes the house seem bigger and far more quiet in a not-good-way. I miss her.
I have not heard from the vet yet today, so that is good as if her condition took a down turn I am certain we would hear immediately.
3DP, I just saw this thread and am jingling madly for Tara. {{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}
update from the vet, she is about the same but the fluids are doing their trick and she urinated for them.
holding her own is good, I imagine this will take some time to recover from (partially or completely)
Jingles for Tara!! My senior Boston Terrier spent 4 days in the vet hospital at NCSU this spring with pancreatitis and liver failure. She was dreadfully ill and I thought we might lose her. She couldnt keep anything down and was too sick and painful to stand by the time we got her to Raleigh. Fortunately she pulled through and we are managing her liver disease and keeping her on a low fat and strict diet to hopefully avoid future bouts with the pancreatitis. Fingers crossed that your girl can make a strong recovery and come home too.:yes:
I just saw Little (Taras nickname) and she is SO much better. She still cannot stand but she can right herself when she rolls over, she can scootch to what she wants, she is eating and she even growled at Conner.
Still think it was neuro and probably a toxin of some sort but she is well enough that she probably will be home in another day or two.
Thanks everyone for the good thoughts, the jingles and the medical knowledge passed on. I appreciate every one of them.
Great news that Little is feeling better! That’s a cute nickname-DH and I refer to our 2 Jacks as "the littles ",and the Lab and Berner as "the bigs "
Over the weekend I went over my garden and found more nightshade after pulling a bunch in the spring. Thanks for the heads-up.
More jingles for continuing improvement for little Ms. Little.
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Great news that Little is feeling better! That’s a cute nickname-DH and I refer to our 2 Jacks as "the littles ",and the Lab and Berner as "the bigs "
Over the weekend I went over my garden and found more nightshade after pulling a bunch in the spring. Thanks for the heads-up.
More jingles for continuing improvement for little Ms. Little.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the jingles, she is def going to survive now, but I am fairly certain there will be some deficit as well. All she needs to be able to do to stand, I’m happy to provide balance support for her.
She is the smallest of the Corgis.
Keep an eye on the areas you found the nightshade in, it is a persistent plant.
