Paprika or copper supplementation for fading summer coat

[sascha]

@JB

That’s really hard to deal with. I know quite a few people now who have attached RV filters to their water source because of high iron. Water can definitely be tested. At some point you can’t keep adding cu/zn, since as I mentioned above there is a limit on safety. So sometimes you just can’t add X amount to balance sky-high Fe, you have to get the Fe reduced as well. And usually it’s both, as it can be really hard to get the Fe level down to a reasonable level.

Thanks. And, bah! Pooh! I guess I might try supplementing within safe limits to see if that makes any difference this summer. If not, there’s not much I can do about the sky high iron because not my well

[JB]

Not your well, but can you provide the RV water filter?

[sascha]

@JB

Not your well, but can you provide the RV water filter?

Hee, I’ve already hit the Google machine up to start researching filters

[Dr_Doolittle]

Gah, I have the same issue, and board my true black horse at a farm with VERY high iron levels. I had her blood tested a couple of years ago and her iron levels were 3 times “normal”

I’ve had her on copper and zinc supplementation for 4 years now (she is 6 1/2), and it does help - but she still does bleaches out some - in spite of the fact that she is on night turnout year round.

I feed one full scoop each of the Uckele pelleted zinc and copper supplement (this is 1 oz?), is this the upper limit?

There is NO WAY the BM (who has 500 acres and boards/cares for 130 horses!) would accept any monkeying around with filters on her water sources, alas.

[JB]

So I looked it up (because Google is your friend )

250mg/kg is the upper tolerable amount of copper. That’s enormous.

That’s 125,000mg for a 500kg (1100lb) horse. Way more than I even threw out there a few posts up.

So no, not that I thought so anyway, but this shows you how far below any safe upper limit even the full scoops of those cu/zn products are

The fact that you’ve seen improvement means what you’re doing is working pretty well. Fading blacks are still going to fade.

[CindyCRNA]

@Dr. Doolittle

Gah, I have the same issue, and board my true black horse at a farm with VERY high iron levels. I had her blood tested a couple of years ago and her iron levels were 3 times “normal”

I’ve had her on copper and zinc supplementation for 4 years now (she is 6 1/2), and it does help - but she still does bleaches out some - in spite of the fact that she is on night turnout year round.

I feed one full scoop each of the Uckele pelleted zinc and copper supplement (this is 1 oz?), is this the upper limit?

There is NO WAY the BM (who has 500 acres and boards/cares for 130 horses!) would accept any monkeying around with filters on her water sources, alas.

I feed a half a scoop of both as suggested here. The reasoning being copper can become toxic. My guy is 1350 pounds . I could probably get away with a full scoop but I don’t. I’ll report on how the summer goes.

[Fharoah]

It makes sense to supplement a horse when they’re deficient I can’t see the benefit of a supplement unless they need it.

[JB]

@CindyCRNA

I feed a half a scoop of both as suggested here. The reasoning being copper can become toxic. My guy is 1350 pounds . I could probably get away with a full scoop but I don’t. I’ll report on how the summer goes.

You saw the upper safe limit above, yes?

@Fharoah

It makes sense to supplement a horse when they’re deficient I can’t see the benefit of a supplement unless they need it.

Of course. That should always be the goal.

[CindyCRNA]

@JB

You saw the upper safe limit above, yes?

I just went back and scanned and I didn’t see it.

[mmeqcenter]

@CindyCRNA

I just went back and scanned and I didn’t see it.

Post #45, from JB:

250mg/kg is the upper tolerable amount of copper. That’s enormous.

That’s 125,000mg for a 500kg (1100lb) horse. Way more than I even threw out there a few posts up.

[Dr_Doolittle]

How many mgs in a scoop?

[JB]

also easily found with a Google search
https://horsetech.com/equine-supplements/searchcategory/copper/poly-copper

[CindyCRNA]

@mmeqcenter

Post #45, from JB:

250mg/kg is the upper tolerable amount of copper. That’s enormous.

That’s 125,000mg for a 500kg (1100lb) horse. Way more than I even threw out there a few posts up.

Holy crapamoli! I’m feeding 1/2 scoop which is 160 mg a day. Ok, well, I’m safe!

[CindyCRNA]

@Dr. Doolittle

How many mgs in a scoop?

320 mg in a full so I guess my big guy can have a full. We live in the midwest with a high iron content in the water.