Paul valliere

[SaturdayNightLive]

I have a hard time believing that PV was struggling financially. He was (and still is) one of the most sought after equitation coaches in the country. Yes, the man is a very talented trainer. But that doesn’t change the fact that he had a horse in his care killed. I, much like the USEF, have a hard time forgiving him.

Honestly, whenever I’m at the same venue as him, I make it my business to stay as far away from him and the people he works with as humanly possible.

But, if you wish to work with him, that is your choice. What I don’t understand is why you started this discussion? Seems like a waste of time to me.

[AHorseSomeDay]

[QUOTE=alterbecauseimacoward;2659346]
He didn’t do it to someone else’s horse…he did it to his own horse because he was financially struggling. It’s not like he runs around with alligator clips killing random horses. Quote]

I don’t buy that excuse, just because a person is financially struggling doesn’t give that person a reason to kill an innocent animal. If he couldn’t afford the horse and needed the money, he could have sold it for less money.

There are no excuses when it comes to killing animals.

[Saddletramp_29]

A very hot topic. I wonder how many people who are working today slipped through the net, got away with murder so to speak.

[lelevic]

[QUOTE=alterbecauseimacoward;2659346]
He didn’t do it to someone else’s horse…he did it to his own horse because he was financially struggling. It’s not like he runs around with alligator clips killing random horses.

All of those besides the sleeping with your employee/employer are ACCIDENTS, which are different than MISTAKES.

From dictionary.com[/QUOTE]

Because he was struggling financially??? Wow, my heart really bleeds for him (do you detect the sarcasm?!?) What he did was/is morally reprehensible! The solution to his financial woes was to kill an animal? Who cares if it was his or not!! I guess you support dogfighting, after all, the scumbags that participate in that are doing it for “financial reasons.” Give me a break!

[Evalee_Hunter]

[QUOTE=elite;2659272]
. . . . i sense that i’m starting a trainwreck. but i’m curious.[/QUOTE]

So, elite, are you also “alterbecauseimacoward”? Sounds like it to me.

[eqjumperz]

[QUOTE=lelevic;2659337]
The book was written by Ken Englade. I wrote a book report on “Hot Blood” last quarter in ENG-102. [/QUOTE]

I wrote a report for English on that book too.

[/QUOTE][QUOTE=lelevic;2659337]Those “people”, and I use that term loosely, are truly the scum of the earth.[/QUOTE]

My teacher (who knows nothing about horses) agreed.

[pds]

[QUOTE=alterbecauseimacoward;2659246]
So I’ve been searching online for stuff about Paul Valliere, because I’ve been taking a few lessons with him and wanted to know more about this whole horse-killing thing. Of course the Chronicle forums came up in my search, and y’all clearly really hate him. My question for you is: why? I mean, yes, it’s terrible that he had a horse electrocuted for the insurance money. But it was a mistake made like 10 years ago. So what exactly is the problem with him?[/QUOTE]

Maybe you’re a troll, maybe not. On the slim chance that you are not, I have a question for you.

Would you go on on on date with on on known convicted rapist? I bet not. So explain to me why you think it is fine to do business with a horse killer?

Oh and by the way, what Paul V. did was premeditated (sp?) and NOT a mistake.

There are plenty of other honest trainers out there that could help you as well or better than this low life.

[lelevic]

[QUOTE=Evalee Hunter;2659377]
So, elite, are you also “alterbecauseimacoward”? Sounds like it to me.[/QUOTE]

Oh wow, good observation! I had to go back and read that post, I totally missed that one ;0)

[BarbB]

@Evalee Hunter;2659377

So, elite, are you also “alterbecauseimacoward”? Sounds like it to me.

:winkgrin:
good catch!

[Rosie]

If you have to ask “what is the problem with him?” knowing that he electrocuted horses for money - there is nothing anyone on here is going to say that will affect how you view him or change the fact that you have no problem dealing with him.
It would appear that your sense of right and wrong happens to coincide with the people you associate with.
Sad…but not surprising.

[Vandy]

[Jaegermonster]

[QUOTE=elite;2659272]
you pronounce it like valley air.

and yeah, i sense that i’m starting a trainwreck. but i’m curious.[/QUOTE]

you know, I caught that but interpreted it that they were starting a trainwreck by responding, but I see it now. Well, Elite is a 16 yo kid. Most of us were pretty clueless about stuff at that age. Blame her parents for this one. And she’s not as clueless about him as she pretends, obviously she is well aware of he has done. And doesn’t care.

[harvestmoon]

[QUOTE=alterbecauseimacoward;2659246]
So I’ve been searching online for stuff about Paul Valliere, because I’ve been taking a few lessons with him and wanted to know more about this whole horse-killing thing. Of course the Chronicle forums came up in my search, and y’all clearly really hate him. My question for you is: why? I mean, yes, it’s terrible that he had a horse electrocuted for the insurance money. But it was a mistake made like 10 years ago. So what exactly is the problem with him?[/QUOTE]

Troll much? :lol:

He had a horse electrocuted for insurance money.

And you’re still not sure what the problem is? :lol:

[system]

[QUOTE=Evalee Hunter;2659377]
So, elite, are you also “alterbecauseimacoward”? Sounds like it to me.[/QUOTE]

OOPS. That was pretty dumb. Oh well.

[system]

[QUOTE=Jaegermonster;2659396]
you know, I caught that but interpreted it that they were starting a trainwreck by responding, but I see it now. Well, Elite is a 16 yo kid. Most of us were pretty clueless about stuff at that age. Blame her parents for this one. And she’s not as clueless about him as she pretends, obviously she is well aware of he has done. And doesn’t care.[/QUOTE]

I know I’m being troll-like by starting this topic (which would be why I created the alter) because all of the topics I’ve searched about him have turned almost instantantly into trainwrecks.

And if I didn’t care…why would I ask?

[Wishing1280]

Alterbecauseimacoward- You defined that mistake is an error in judgment. If his mistake of electrocuting a horse for money because he was having money issues, and that was an error in judgment- I wouldn’t want to take his advice on anything since his advice would be his judgment… which has obviously gotten him in trouble before.

[BarbB]

@elite;2659443

And if I didn’t care…why would I ask?

If you are not repulsed by what he did, other people’s opinions are not going to change your mind. :no:

[lelevic]

[QUOTE=elite;2659433]
OOPS. That was pretty dumb. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

But lets be honest here, you asked what the problem with him was. When we chipped in our two cents, you basically took issue with our stance on him based on your replies. Perhaps you should be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

[lelevic]

[QUOTE=BarbB;2659448]
If you are not repulsed by what he did, other people’s opinions are not going to change your mind. :no:[/QUOTE]

Very well put BarbB. Bravo!!

[system]

[QUOTE=BarbB;2659448]
If you are not repulsed by what he did, other people’s opinions are not going to change your mind. :no:[/QUOTE]

I don’t approve of what he did at all…but he is an absolutely fabulous trainer. It’s a matter of tipping the scale, which probably will tip in the latter direction because he has helped me improve so much in the few lessons I’ve done with him (just for clarification, I don’t train with him, I just go up there about once a month for a lesson).