Pentathalon coverage?

Agreed!

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Please don’t email PETA. I think it’s unlikely that they can tell the difference between the pentathalon show jumping and the equestrian show jumping. There are more constructive ways to make your thoughts known. For one thing, why not write the various pentathalon governing bodies directly?[/QUOTE]

…or eventing, fox hunting, steeplechase, polo, flat racing, etc, etc…

I agree that the MP governing body needs to address several issues, but I find it hypocritical when there has been such a recent uproar over eventing that others are saying to shut a different sport down. Any equestrian sport can be done incorrectly and unsafely, including all the ones listed above. When put on public display, a sport is under close scrutiny that more often than not reveals the flaws that might otherwise go unnoticed. I highly doubt that MP events conducted in the USA go the way they went in Beijing. And again, how about a little support for our American competitors, who near as I could tell were trying their very best. And let’s be honest…you are apt to see the same bad riding at any h/j or eventing competition…I know I have. There are always those who try to compete above their ability. As has been suggested for Eventing, how do we effect change to make the sport safer for horse and rider?

Nam Dong-Hong for Korea should have been DSQ for beating the horse when it was HIS fault the horse couldn’t jump.

Uk. this is making me so mad and i just need to stop watching… I wishing horrible hurts upon a lot of those people…

Melissa- Sam is not only the product of Pony club (and he sure showed it by acting like a horseman… running up his stirrups and loosening his girth), but Rolling Rock. How cool is that.

And Henrietta Borst. Wow, Yett… I haven’t heard that name in years. Go Yett.

Did anyone see the grey horse that went down after tripping through the triple? Chinese rider. Horse was 100% lame in it’s right hind leg. He was refusing (duuhhh) because he couldn’t push off. rider was beating it around. That round was thoroughly disgusting.

http://www.bjreview.com.cn/quotes/txt/2007-10/10/content_79146.htm

“All the horses for the modern pentathlon at the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games will be made-in-China,” said Zhang Bin, Deputy Director of the Competition Office of the Modern Pentathlon World Cup Final, which was recently held in Beijing.

Differing from the full equestrian events, all the horses for the modern pentathlon at the Olympics are supposed to be supplied by the host country. However, the past Olympics have borrowed horses from abroad. This time they’ll all be homegrown.

The modern pentathlon includes shooting, fencing, swimming, running and equestrian events. Riders pick their partner horses before the event by blind draw.

At the Modern Pentathlon World Cup Final, one of the “Good Luck Beijing” Olympic test events, all 25 horses came from China, among which 18 were used for the competition and seven as standbys. Having gone through strict screening and quarantine, the horses are also ready for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. Sources say that the Beijing Olympics will demand around 60 horses, both for competition and as standbys.

The yardstick for selecting Olympic horses lies in their competitive ability, rather than appearance, said Zhang. Entrusted by the Organizing Committee of Beijing Olympic Games, the China Equestrian Association and China Modern Pentathlon Association jointly invited a handful of experts to help with nationwide Olympic horse selection. The selection program began in 2005 and more than 120 horses from Beijing, Shanghai, Guangdong and Inner Mongolia passed the primary selection stage. One year later, the number of candidates shrank to 60. Three months ahead of the “Good Luck Beijing” test events, just 25 horses were selected to race.

From 2006 on, the committee began to manage a record of the selected 25 horses. The condition of the horses is inspected every three months by specialized evaluators. Only those that qualify after an assessment of injuries, resistance to epidemics and athletic capability, remain in the Olympic horse reserves. “All the horses have to go through quarantine in terms of national criteria and are then transported to Beijing for the match,” said Xu Haifeng, Vice Director in charge of modern pentathlon with the Cycling and Fencing Administrative Center of the General Administration of Sport of China.

Success in equestrian events comes down to both horse riding skills and the quality of the horse. The competitor has only 20 minutes to acquaint himself with the picked horse, and thus the horses must receive special training so that they can do the best when partnered with anyone of the players.

The China Modern Pentathlon Association has hired a specialized horse trainer from Holland. His work is to guide several Chinese trainers through training the horses until the conclusion of the Beijing Olympics in August 2008.

English has become the language of communication with the horses for the trainers and they can often be heard saying words such as “come on” and “stop” to them.

Effective communication between trainers, players and horses has become a key link for the success of the competition. As well-bred horses with a track record of success are smart and familiar with both competition and people, they can even recognize the state of the players riding on their backs. If the player is nervous, the horse is likely to become disobedient. The trainer and the player keep constant communication with the horse through body contact and speaking. The trainer will also tap on the horse’s neck as encouragement after completing each training program.

It usually takes two years to convert a horse into a qualified Olympian for the modern pentathlon. This batch of horses has to be strictly registered, with a complete record detailing their type, number, quarantine results and health conditions. Features of their appearance such as the color of hoof and coat are also recorded as a means of identification.

The match horses must reach the racecourse in advance of the competition to adapt themselves to the environment through a two-week pre-match training schedule. Every horse has a tailored training program.

Horses used to racing have to learn how to canter, a skill that requires endurance, rhythm and flexibility. The horses go through a compulsory daily lesson during which they canter around a 15 to 30 meter circle. This is the first step in fostering the flexibility and uniform speed the horses will need for the pentathlon.

Staff workers at the racecourse take care of these horses like children. The horses enjoy rolling in sand after a hard day of training and the staff has to clean it from their hair and hooves. Every detail of the horses is paid close attention.

The horses are so well looked after sometimes they seem to think they are the stars of the Olympic Games rather than the riders. During interviews with the press they are tame and understanding and even pose for the cameras.

Specialized volunteers for the equestrian events will be recruited from the national modern pentathlon team of China to ensure a good performance for the competitors. Their main work is to lead the horses, which is important for keeping them in a good mood. Employing professional competitors to lead the horses is not too much, said Xu, as this role is crucial to ensuring their good performance.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL PETA. I would never have started this thread. I have zero respect for PETA considering its recent activities in my country… If you actually want to make a REAL difference, call the Modern Pentathlon board, anything. These horses are probably very well taken care of in between rounds, they looked healthy and honest, the problem is the riders and the questions the sport is asking of them-- four foot is far too much. PETA will see this as an opportunity to slam SJ, eventing, everything.

Thank god they lowered the fence height and the women can ride better than the men. I SO want that horse LeLe. Really liked it the other day with the men, but loved it today with the women who could somewhat ride.

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WTF is going on here? I had never heard of the pentathalon until I came upon this thread. I watched a handful of rides and could take no more. The horse of Amelie Caze finished their round completely non-weightbearing on a hind leg, his rider looked clueless as to their being a problem despite the gasps from the audience, and she proceeded to ride to the edge of the ring to dismount and smile and wave to her supporters, all the while no one seemed to be attending to the horses problem. I have no idea if the horse was used again.
Disgusting.[/QUOTE]

AFTER THAT HORSE HURT IT’S LEG THEY LET IT GO ANOTHER ROUND WITH THE MEXICAN RIDER SANCHEZ!!!
I AM SO PISSED OFF BLESS THAT HORSE! I will be doing something about this. There is no excuse for this type of cruelty to continue. The pentathalon folks and who ever else gets added to the “to” section on my email.
The horses name was BeiBei
Poor girl.

Here is where you can complain to the pentathlon board. I sent them a letter already
http://www.pentathlon.org/index.php?id=23

Well, I had a great laugh at several rider’s unplanned dismounts.

The women look like they just fell off the turnip truck - shirts untucked, hair hanging out of hats, socks out of their boots. Scary.

The more I watched, the more I felt sorry for the horses. I’m the furthest thing from a “PETA person,” but that is abuse. The horses don’t look prepared to do the job being asked of them. Combined with those riders on them, it is a disaster. I’m not sure how that qualifies as an Olympic sport. Maybe they’re good at the other phases, I’m not sure. I couldn’t watch anymore. I’m wondering what happens to those horses after the Olympics are over?

I did contact the “sport’s” Society by email.

I found it appropriate they came into the ring to circus music… and I had to laugh as the spectators would roar with laughter when a horse would stop.

The Detroit Free Press covered the MP, specifically to follow the progress of US competitor Sheila Taormina, who’s competed at swimming and triathlon in other Olympics. Taormina never rode a horse before taking up MP 3 years ago.

…Sheila Taormina calls it “the most beautiful sport I’ve ever done. My favorite sport of all time: show-jumping.”

Sensible girl, she is. Taormina had one of three clear rounds and finished equal 1st in the riding phase.

Wow, thanks for the video link. I only watched a couple of rides. It was scary. The French guy on the bay actually made it around ok and had a few good fences. But I mean, he got a one stride in the two stride. No wonder fences are coming down, they don’t take tugs in between the elements of a combination because they have no coordination or control!

Just sitting down to watch some of this now… pretty appalling.

I think the horses are absolute saints to keep trying despite the riding… I dunno… if they’re going to operate with a “draw” riders need to get better or the fence heights should come down. This is the most unfair thing to horses I’ve seen in a while.

The women’s was better then the men but not by much. I think the smartest rider was the guy from Spain. He finally listen to his horse after the 3rd refusal and dismissed himself. I think he was scared to death.

The best picture I have seen is the first one in the women’s photos, the girl from China. Perfect form over the fence and what a nice release.

I think if they want to keep jumping lower the fences to 2’9 to 3 feet or as others have suggested, switch it to dressage.

The Russian rider, Ilya Frolv, had a death grip on his horse and the poor horse jumped like a deer over every fence.:no::cry:
The best rider so far is Andrejus fro LTU. He actually looked really good.

Now when people tell you that riding isn’t hard and the horse does all the work, show them these videos. To me, with riding, you have to be 100% with your horse or it’s not going to work.

another one lame besides the gray

The bay that crashed the brick wall put his hoof through it and got it stuck momentarily and went limping off. His rider got back on but then excused himself. I didn’t watch to see if the poor horse went again later with someone else.

[QUOTE=msrobin;3466454]
AFTER THAT HORSE HURT IT’S LEG THEY LET IT GO ANOTHER ROUND WITH THE MEXICAN RIDER SANCHEZ!!!
I AM SO PISSED OFF BLESS THAT HORSE! I will be doing something about this. There is no excuse for this type of cruelty to continue. The pentathalon folks and who ever else gets added to the “to” section on my email.
The horses name was BeiBei
Poor girl.

Here is where you can complain to the pentathlon board. I sent them a letter already
http://www.pentathlon.org/index.php?id=23[/QUOTE]

Here is the link to the video that shows all 36 women competing over fences. The jumping starts at minute 20, if I remember.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=pnth-bj-sd09-082208-164020&channelcode=sportmp

It is simply a horrible video to watch. There are 12 horses. Each get ridden three times. The competition takes three hours, and these horses are going non-stop, as between riders, they are out in the warmup area with their next rider. After they compete, you can see how exhausted they are.

One horse leaves the last fence on three legs, and the rider is clueless.

Another horse packs around the terrible rider from Mexico (Sanchez). The rider finally falls off, and the commentator has the nerve to write that the horse is bad! I was furious.

I used to think MP was an interesting sport. Now, after seeing how terrible the riding is, and how poorly the horses are regarded, I want nothing to do with it.

NO NO NO

People, PETA are not Animal Cops. They are an “animal rights” organization and clearly state that they do nothing for animal care. Publicity Wh@rs. In suits. Don’t romanticize. You have just heard of them a lot, that’s all, because that’s what they do.

I agree, and unfortunately, that is why you will never see them doing something that could really help. Publicity means cash to them. $$$ is what PETA is all about.

Sic them onto the horse people and no horse activity will be safe.

PETA=BAD

If you call PETA, you won’t be able to ride your horse either.
But, I got to admit; that those horses were game. Bad riding, heat, bad footing, and being tired; they just keep trying.

There were very few nasty ditches on the horse’s part.

There are 12 horses. Each get ridden three times. The competition takes three hours, and these horses are going non-stop, as between riders, they are out in the warmup area with their next rider. After they compete, you can see how exhausted they are.

I totally agree and was going to point that out. If you can find and watch the men’s competition you can see each horse’s name is something like Chang chang, or Xiu xiu, and as they go through each competitors name you can see that the horses are ridden AT LEAST 3-4 times each.
The footing was abysmal, the humidity is shown to be 84% and the heat in the 70-80’s.
The first horse comes out and it is already sweating.
After the debacle of the falls and injuries, they lowered the women’s course to 2-3 feet.
I was reading some where that one female competitor had only started riding about a year or so ago…

Perhaps letters in the email in boxes of the IOC, FEI, and if there is an international committee or association for Modern Pentathalon, we should write them as well.

We can all sit here and gripe, write some emails, mail some letters.
Please.
Wnnahrse
(I do have 2 it is an old nickname I have had for a while)

I wonder: are these people as bad at their other disciplines as they are at riding? I mean, are there discussions on fencing or shooting boards about how they all poke each other in the eyes or shoot themselves in the foot?