Preakness thread

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question: When a horse scratches, do the post positions all move in one to fill the space or does each horse keep it’s assigned post position?

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Everyone to the outside of the scratched horse moves down a hole.

So since Behindatthebar drew 5, 6-13 will all move inside a slot. But their program numbers won’t change.

Thank you!

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BloodHorse has the video of Dutrow’s press conf last night and BB’s arrival

He seems really sick of the reporters questions which to be honest at this point have to be both repetitive and dumb. You can see why eventually even a nice guy like Matz becomes more like the oft-described curmudgeon Barclay Tagg ;)[/QUOTE]

Hey, Glimmer … I can’t get any of the dang Bloodhorse videos to load! The little arrows just keep going round and round and round and round and … How long did you have to wait? I can’t get the Affirmed/Alydar ones to load, none of the Big Brown ones. SIGH.

Back to your regularly scheduled Preakness programming!

and the psychic says …

Which, not coincidentally, brings us to Kentucky Bear, who was 15-1 in the book the last time I looked. Hoffman woke up today thinking about “Big Bear,” which she thinks may be an indication that Big Brown and Kentucky Bear could end up on the winning exacta and trifecta tickets. She also liked Behindatthebar until it was scratched today and has a good feeling about Yankee Bravo (15-1) and long shot Giant Moon (30-1).

“I had a dream last night,” she said. “I was feeling pressure. I was thinking ‘I’ve just got to win this.’ I was at a party and somebody told me the middle of the field will win. That could mean Big Brown and Kentucky Bear, because they will be side by side in the middle of the field.”

Hoffman wasn’t ready to be pinned down on the exact order of finish, but only because she didn’t want to change the routine that led to her great victory in the Kentucky Derby. She made the pick right before race time, based on some hard-to-explain intuition about the vibe between the horses and jockeys.

“I’m going over tomorrow to the same OTB outlet, wearing the same clothes, the same underwear, you know how that works,” she said.

Actually, I have little knowledge of women’s accessories, but I get the picture. If a psychic can’t be superstitious, nobody can. Hoffman won’t be hard to spot on Third Avenue, because everything she was wearing that day was some kind of leopard skin print.

“I’m into animal prints,” she said. “My place looks like a jungle. I’ll have the complete outfit, right down to the leopard raincoat, leopard boots and leopard umbrella.”

Uh … I’m a tad speechless, I just hope she doesn’t resemble Ms. Wildenstein!

Here is to a safe day, great racing, and winning lots of money. It’s not cloudy out and I am on my way to the races and I don’t have a horse crush like I did last year w/ SS, so I shouldnt fall apart if somebody looses. What could be better? Oh, I know, coming home with more $$ than I left with!

Could someone tell me the exact post time for the Preakness? I have to work all day today, leaving my fairly trusty VCR on duty for the broadcast, but I’m going to try to grab an inventively scheduled bathroom and get a drink break just for 2-3 minutes there. :smiley:

5:15 pm central time— which I believe includes you DT since you don’t live far from me. :smiley:

Yep, I’m central. Thanks!

Please tell me that Dutrow doesn’t really whine about Prado’s ride aboard Riley Tucker relative to Big Brown, right? Your horse wins the race convincingly and yet you still take the time to drop a dumb remark like that to a reporter?

USA Today May 21, 2008 “Dutrow: Prado tried to box in Big Brown”

excerpt

“It looked like he was just trying to keep our horse in the box,” Dutrow said. “It didn’t look like he was out to get the best finish out of his horse.”

Yeah, he said it. I’ve read it a couple of other places, too.

I’m pretty sure the genesis of the question to Dutrow began in the pre-Preakness coverage when a couple of jocks said in interviews something along lines that the only way to beat BB was to box him in, get him in traffic trouble; then Kent D. said post-race how Riley T threw down a challenge at BB and tried to box him in and he wanted no part of that, so he took Brown back and out, yadda yadda yadda.

Apparently Riley T’s owner also called Dutrow et al to apologize for the incident.

I have added Dutrow to my mental “ignore” list, much like the ignore function available on this forum.

But isn’t that just the nature of race riding? Why apologize?

Anyone else get a kick out of imagining Amhed Zayat calling Rick Dutrow to apologize? :lol:

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Apparently Riley T’s owner also called Dutrow et al to apologize for the incident.[/QUOTE]

I doubt Zayat (owner of RT) called Dutrow to say “sorry” any more then he’d call Bob Baffert and say ‘sorry for firing you’. Where by the way did the later action take Zayat? Did he finish in the winner’s circle with any of his big guns? Oh that’s right - he didn’t.

I tend to dislike Zayat as much as I do IEAH.

I’m just the messenger here! :lol:

But this from Bloodhorse.com:

[i]Dutrow commented on the ride by Edgar Prado aboard Riley Tucker in the Preakness. Prado, who often rides for Dutrow, rode Riley Tucker aggressively to keep Big Brown down on the rail as the field entered the backstretch. After a half-mile was run, Desormeaux was able to ease back and come outside of Riley Tucker and the pacesetting Gayego. Riley Tucker finished last.

“It looked like (Prado) was just trying to keep our horse in a box, and not out to get the best finish out of his horse,” said Dutrow, who remarked he received a phone call from Riley Tucker’s owner, Ahmed Zayat, who told him he was upset by Prado’s ride. “It looked like he just did something to keep our horse in behind his horse, and he had to go out of his way to do it.”[/i]

I know I read somewhere else that Zayat apologized, FWIW.

Now that part I can believe! :lol:

Zayat can be pretty darn good at pointing the finger when things don’t go his way. :wink:

Seriously, has he ever been quoted saying anything positive?

Published words from ESPN’s Bill Finley published May 15th …

Flashback pre Preakness:

Goodlord the “man on the grassy knole” conspiracy theorists are out with the Belmont Stakes on their sights …

If BB was a great horse a bad break and getting bumped wouldn’t mean ‘diddly’. Forgt even great horses but look at very good horses … did we not see Alysheba go down to his nose and come back? Did Rag’s to Riches not have a terrible Belmont break too? Alfeet Alex was T-boned and still won the Preakness.

Anyhow here is the video evidence (as unearthed by equidaily.com):

youtube.com “Does Big Brown spook from the starter?”

The video clip of BB acting ‘lively’ in the detention barn (a non issue IMHO):

youtube.com “BB pre-race in NYRA’s detention barn”

From ESPN’s Bill Finley column defending Kent -“It could have been anything - except the ride”

Now, even Desormeaux has chimed in with a conspiracy theory of his own, blaming the starter. Desormeaux told the New York Daily News that Big Brown shied away from starter Roy Robert Williamson, who positioned himself on the racetrack itself, a few feet from the inner rail, and that’s why he got into a jackpot early.

So what if he did? This was supposed to be the greatest horse to hit the racetrack since Spectacular Bid. He’s supposed to overcome what couldn’t have been more than a minor distraction.

The problems he had in the beginning of the race are nothing more than a minor issue. Big Brown got out of the jam in plenty of time and was in perfect striking position all down the backstretch and into the far turn. A horse who is supposed to be that good should have overcome the early trouble with no problem. He had a much worse trip in the Kentucky Derby when five wide the whole trip.

Photo by Bello/Getty -“A closer view of Williamson and Big Brown at the start of the Belmont”