Totally agree - she is cute and there isn’t anything about her that screams “arab,” but without a show record and/or being insanely user friendly, a lower level jumper just isn’t worth that much. I like her more than expected, though!
Another thought (lurking over here from Dressage land!) is that maybe they are marketing the horse towards the Arabian Sport horse folks? Arabians for the breed shows are still going for some good cash, and the WB/Arab cross is really popular for the sport horse division.
French fry, my original post wasn’t specifically addressed at you but I think this is a prime example of a horse just like I was talking about, that no one would think was part Arab unless they were told. Just looks like a Trakhener, if you were playing “guess the breed.” And easily worth $15-20k, but not $50k!
She looks fun to ride and like a nice Adult Jumper or eventer, but probably not a hunter except for Half-Arab shows maybe.
I’m kind of assuming this horse is directed to the half arab sport market.
Not 50K. For the hunter ring, she is a 10-20K horse.
OP, try asking the same question on the eventing forum
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Don’t think so based on the ad. It doesn’t mention the Arab blood. If they were going for that market you’d think they’d at least tag it as one. I think they are selling it as a “WB cross” thinking they’ll get more. Maybe they are missing their market, though!
Regardless of her breeding, c/a jumpers are a dime a dozen. Unless she can step up and do even the low amateur or low jr, not a penny more than $20, as she has no usef show record. And remember, at a bigger show the aa/childrens jumpers can be fairly scopey. Cute jump though
50 k is insane. I would be very suspicious even from the wording of the ad “beautiful children’s hunter jumper.” There is really no such thing as both. She is one or the other - except for those exceptions that prove the rule. And if she is one or the other why are there no pix of her with a child riding her in one of those rings? Looks as if the one hunter pix is very low, more like pre-children’s vs childrens. Most of the pix are cross country and looks like adults are riding her. And she does look fast, not a hunter. Very few Arabs in either the hunter or jumper world. Some pony jumpers, not hunters.
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You’re not going to get anywhere near that asking price in the event horse market, either. Just for reference, this horse WON its area Novice (2’11) championship last year, has gone Training (3’3) and actually shown 3rd level, and is $40K: http://sporthorsenation.eventingnation.com/listing/super-fancy-event-and-dressage-horse/
It’s a cute horse if you’re looking for a low level jumper/mid level eventer type. There would certainly be interest from that market, but not at that price point. I’d say max $10K, for something that’s got some local h/j milage and been XC schooling.
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Another thought (lurking over here from Dressage land!) is that maybe they are marketing the horse towards the Arabian Sport horse folks? Arabians for the breed shows are still going for some good cash, and the WB/Arab cross is really popular for the sport horse division.[/QUOTE]
Because I am nosy and an Arab person, I looked this horse up on Datasource (the Arab Association’s registration database). She is a registered 1/2 Arabian, but she is still registered to her breeder from 2007. No mention of the person selling her now as there are no other transfers.
So - that could mean a lot of things. The current seller could have a signed set of papers from the breeder with no buyer’s name filled in and all the buyer would have to do is sign, pay the transfer fee, and all is good. Or he doesn’t have the papers - perhaps some shenanigans happened in the past and the papers aren’t available. Or they have the papers but don’t want to advertise her as a 1/2 Arab due to breed prejudice. Or ???
But if I were buying this horse for the Arab Sport Horse market, I would do a lot of research before I plunked down my money in the hope of buying a cute hunter/jumper for Arab shows. Make sure you can get the papers because you sure as heck won’t be able to show without them!
Buyer beware for sure!
ETA: Her show record consists of 2 in hand classes at one show in 2010. She was 2nd out of 2 in the open sport horse in hand and 5th out of 6th in the amateur to handle SHIH.
ETA#2 Her sire is an Arab, not an Oldenberg as someone above mentioned.
Not 50k. No way. Maybe 15-20 tops if she really is as nice as the photos.
She’s actually pretty cute! If she can do all the ad says/you say she can do, I’d put her at $20,000-$22,00. If she had more mileage maybe a bit more.
OP, if you like her I think she’s worth checking out. But ask the seller if the price is firm - sometimes people go way high to weed out some offers.
I think you can buy a lot of horse for 50K, this mare’s price seems pretty high to me. For instance, we have a very similar horse for sale. Gelding. Black. Sired by a GP Trakehner, out of a decent Arab mare. Ours is green, but quiet, no show mileage, jumps 2’6" under saddle so far, and very close to 5’ free jumping with very good form. Has legit WB papers. Under 10K. The 1/2 Arab puts a lot of people off. Discouraging as many Arab WB crosses are super nice horses, but that is the reality. And why we no longer breed them.
She’s a very cute horse, but I don’t believe she’s 16h. Maybe she does jump 4 feet, but none of the jumps in the pic are that high. Assuming she is as capable as the ad claims, I’d say $10-15K, maybe $20k, is what she’d go for in my area. I’m in the midwest though, and as was already mentioned, everything is more expensive in CA. Even for California pricing though, $50K is a daydream.
As for the papers, I’ve heard that they just don’t take papers all that seriously out west. I personally have an appendix that’s registered AQHA, still to his original owner–there was one owner in between us, it’s all signed over to me, but I’m not a member of AQHA so I never bothered with the fees. If I were to sell him I would, but he’s my forever boy 
I’d say make an offer based on what you think the horse is worth. I doubt the guy would be insulted. If he doesn’t take your offer seriously, then he can keep waiting for someone who agree with the price tag.
$50,000 for a horse who seems/appears to “hang” her front legs? I am living on the wrong coast. IMO she appears to have a nice jump but with the way she holds her front legs that maybe at her max height and I would bet she would have trouble keeping rails up in a competition ring. Especially a tight fast one.
In all fairness to the horse and seller we are working off a couple of pictures.
These are 2 TBs we bred, one lightly raced the other never raced. Pretty much the first time being asked to jump the roll top. One of them is 16-1 and the other around 16-1+. Maybe I should ship them to California
https://www.facebook.com/GumTreeStablesLLC/photos/pcb.882751948449499/882751688449525/?type=1
https://www.facebook.com/GumTreeStablesLLC/photos/pcb.882751948449499/882751748449519/?type=1
She’s cute, but I agree with other posters, not $50k cute unless she has the scope for higher and can do an entire course. I’d say $20k range max with no show record (unless you get on her and she rides like a dream). You could import a 1.2 m horse from Europe for less (even spending $10k to import).
Thank you everyone. Though I mentally like the mare, my gut is telling me it’s not worth my time. Instead, I have scheduled a weekend at a barn to go try multiple horses that are currently going over fences and well under this mares price.
I have not bought or sold in a long time, but I do feel that my initial reaction was correct.
I have to say, I prefer arab x wb (dressage rider who dabbles in jumping) but I agree this is way way overpriced but it is SO HARD TO FIND a really nice cross. My hose jumps very well, but he is not a hunter at all. Too uphill of a carriage.
Good luck with your horse shopping, OP!
Those trailing hind legs tell me that this horse has a very “Araby” jump.
