Hello!
I have a homebred mare that I am trying to figure out how to “prove” her pedigree so that I can get her approved to an ISR mare book and have her foal branded Oldenburg this fall. She was bred to be a hunter and other than nominating her to the International Hunter Futurity, and horse showing her, nothing else was done with any breed registries. She is out a Jockey Club mare that is deceased and a stallion that is no longer standing. Am I out of luck? Thanks!
I’ll never understand why some people don’t register foals that are eligible. When done as a foal none of the registries’ prices seem cost prohibitive. The older a horse is the more it costs to register it, as a rule. It gives the foal an identity it can carry with it for a lifetime, otherwise it’s just another nameless, paperless horse in a sea of grade horses…
That being said–if the mare and stallion have been bloodtyped then all you have to do is test the homebred’s DNA to link them all together. If it is still possible to register this horse with the JC I would seriously entertain it.
My suggestion is that you call the JC Registration Services at (800) 444-8521 and ask them your questions. Please report back so we may use this thread as a learning experience…
My homebred mare (the dam) wouldn’t have been eligible for any registry. She’s out of a JC mare and by Special Event that was 3/4 TB himself. This foal is by a Hanoverian stallion and can be registered with ISR. Granddam of foal is deceased.
Was the stallion registered/approved?
It should be possible. I had a similar issue with an Old/TB mare I bought as a 9 yo- she was never registered. I contacted OldNA/ISR and it sounded like registering her was no issue since the mare was JC registered (also deceased)and stallion was approved OLdNA.
I chose not to pursue it due to the cost, though.
Gotrocks, you will have to do some leg work to create a paper trail for your mare. Was Special Event approved by any WB registries? If he has DNA on file at UC Davis, that would be the best case scenario. The Jockey Club-reg dam will either have DNA or blood on file with TJC. You will need them to release the sample in order to DNA test against your mare. There is a release form that the last owner of the TJC-reg mare will need to sign. RPSI at one time told me they would register a broodmare like this AND her foal. The mare needs to be registered first; since she’s over 3 she’s not eligible for OldNA but would qualify for ISR. And if you can prove your mare’s pedigree, your foal may be OldNA, not ISR as ISR is the book for “lesser” pedigrees. Send me a facebook message if you have more questions (this is EAF) as I went through something similar with my own broodmare and may have more suggestions for you if the going gets tough! Good luck!
From a search, the last people who had Special Event are here http://nbbrassring.squarespace.com/contact/ so you might contact them to see if there is DNA on file with UC Davis.
Anne,
Thank you for your most helpful reply. I don’t recall if he was or wasn’t. He was IHF nominated at the time which is what I was interested in pursuing. He is 3/4 TB and 1/4 Holsteiner, so I’m not sure what registries would have even been open to him. I will call the farm you suggested and see if they have any info. The JC granddam Connie’s Ten was born in 1980 and in speaking with the JC they only started DNA typing everything born 2001 and later. Here is my mare’s pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gotrocks
My name is Katie Parnell Robinson and I would love to reach out through FB if you just search for me.
Hitting a bit of a dead end…my mare’s dam is deceased and since she was a 1980 model, there is no DNA on file and no blood sample, only blood type. No one does DNA sibling testing, so I am unable to provide a paper trail other than a certified letter from my vet who did the insemination and the vet check after my mare was born. Anyone have any other avenues I haven’t thought of?
wow, she has a Redwine filly? Please post pics!!
You may try UK. http://www2.ca.uky.edu/gluck/AGTRL.asp. They do blood testing and may be able to do a sibling match. I had a similar issue with a mare I acquired who was never registered, although I was eventually able to get maternal dna profile. Good luck.
You mentioned the dam of your mare is out of a Jockey Club mare and a 3/4 TB stallion. I’m assuming that would mean that the 3/4 TB stallion has no proof of pedigree. All of the warmblood registries require proof of four generations of pedigree. ISR/Oldenburg is the only one, I believe, that only requires proof to three generations.
Because of the 3/4 TB stallion back in her pedigree, you would not have proof of pedigree, so your mare could only be entered into the Pre-Mare Book. So unfortunately, no way to get your foal branded and registered Oldenburg. 
It can’t be done if the foal has one crossbred parent.
Just a side note that a foal presented to the ISR/Oldenburg registry would only be branded Oldenburg NA. You would have to go with OHBS-GOV in order to get a Oldenburg Verband branded foal. But again, the foal would need to have proof of pedigree going back four generations in order to do that and have Sport Horse approved bloodlines.
You can see all her pics here! I am absolutely thrilled with her! I am taking her to the inspection on September 12 and as a hunter mama have no idea what to expect! https://www.facebook.com/southlandsporthorses?ref=hl
He was approved with a few registries, so I am 90% sure we are ok on her sire’s side, it’s just her dam…
pretty girl! I hope you can get her registered!
Daventry, GOV takes “lower book” mares too, without 4 generations of pedigree. That’s not really relevant since the horses in question on this thread are OldNA/ISR. (GOV also doesn’t brand, they microchip!) 
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Daventry, GOV takes “lower book” mares too, without 4 generations of pedigree. :)[/QUOTE]
Yep, I realize that.
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