QH sales catalog & N/H (HYPP) horses

[beaujolais]

QH sales catalog & N/H (HYPP) horses.

I just got a sales catalog and am surprised about a few things in it.

Realize that I’m new to QHs and if the answers are obvious, forgive me.

In it, some N/H broodmares were repeatedly bred to N/H stallion?

Why keep a horse whole who is N/H and then why stand them at stud? People really book mares to N/H horses?

HYPP sounds pretty bad. I wouldn’t want to chance it.

Again, I’m new to QHs and I don’t understand the thinking behind this. Please explain, thanks.

[RRD]

OOOYYYY Ok, In the QH and Paint horse industry Impressive bred horses still dominate the Halter horse show ring so that is why you still see so many N/H horses still being bred is because they win. As a lover of the breed(s) I don’t agree with that thinking because I feel it compromises the intergrity of the breed as whole and with genetic testing available now there really is no need to continue to breed N/H horses. So IMO don’t go there…:no: That being said my mare is Impressive bred and she is N/N, she is the most beautiful looking level headed, sure footed, beautiful moving horse I have ever had the pleasure of owning. :yes:

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=sonomacounty;6386436]
QH sales catalog & N/H (HYPP) horses.

I just got a sales catalog and am surprised about a few things in it.

Realize that I’m new to QHs and if the answers are obvious, forgive me.

In it, some N/H broodmares were repeatedly bred to N/H stallion?

Why keep a horse whole who is N/H and then why stand them at stud? People really book mares to N/H horses?

HYPP sounds pretty bad. I wouldn’t want to chance it.

Again, I’m new to QHs and I don’t understand the thinking behind this. Please explain, thanks.[/QUOTE]

Everyone is so ethical, in their own eyes, until tried.
Easy to talk on a high horse when it is not you who has to make the decisions.

If as a breeder you have an N/H horse that is in your eyes perfect otherwise, there are some that will excuse themselves from a slip in breeder ethics for the love of that horse’s almost perfectness.

Sorry, ethics, like being pregnant, you either are or are not.

Anyone breeding any other than N/N is flat unethical in any book.:dead:

[OveroHunter]

[QUOTE=Bluey;6387084]
Anyone breeding any other than N/N is flat unethical in any book.:dead:[/QUOTE]

This.

What’s really sad is that you don’t need a HYPP positive (N/H or H/H) horse to do well in halter. Our stallion is a 2 time APHA Reserve World Champion, 1 time APHA World Champion, and is the #7 leading point earning stallion in the APHA and he doesn’t have an ounce of Impressive blood in him. People just need to breed good horses and raise and train them right.

ETA: I just wanted to add that I am a fan of Impressive bred horses that are HYPP N/N. There are some people who will mark a horse down if they have any Impressive blood, regardless of whether or not they have HYPP. I show in the over fences classes with a halter/Impressive bred gelding that doesn’t have much performance blood in him, but he has the best mind and tries harder than any horse I know and because of that he does very well despite his beefy size

[SuckerForHorses]

Didn’t AQHA change a rule so that horses that tested HYPP H/H and N/H were not registerable? Or am I thinking of something else entirely?

[RRD]

ETA: I just wanted to add that I am a fan of Impressive bred horses that are HYPP N/N. There are some people who will mark a horse down if they have any Impressive blood, regardless of whether or not they have HYPP. I show in the over fences classes with a halter/Impressive bred gelding that doesn’t have much performance blood in him, but he has the best mind and tries harder than any horse I know and because of that he does very well despite his beefy size

My mare is actually smaller (15h 1017lb) even though her sire was a pretty big boy(he was a Overohunter;)). Her Dam was bred by the Simmelinks that bred Barlink Macho Man and they used primarily Leo useing bred horses in there breeding program.
Works for me as I prefer a 15h horse, but same great mind and try, very willing and versatlile.

[SuckerForHorses]

From the rulebook:

Effective with foals born on or after January 1, 2007, all descendants of the stallion Impressive, AQHA registration number 0767246, shall be required to be parentage verified and HYPP tested, subject to the conditions in ©(2) above. Any foal testing homozygous positive for HYPP (H/H) will not be eligible for registration with AQHA.

[threedogpack]

[QUOTE=Bluey;6387084]

Anyone breeding any other than N/N is flat unethical in any book.:dead:[/QUOTE]

X2.

there are plenty of N/N studs who have done very, very well in Halter (A Classical Mister is one). There must be a market for the N/H horses though, or people would quit breeding them.

[trubandloki]

@Bluey;6387084

Anyone breeding any other than N/N is flat unethical in any book.:dead:

This.

[OveroHunter]

[QUOTE=SuckerForHorses;6387184]
From the rulebook:

Effective with foals born on or after January 1, 2007, all descendants of the stallion Impressive, AQHA registration number 0767246, shall be required to be parentage verified and HYPP tested, subject to the conditions in ©(2) above. Any foal testing homozygous positive for HYPP (H/H) will not be eligible for registration with AQHA.[/QUOTE]

Aren’t they planning on phasing out N/H registration in the future as well? I don’t remember the specifics, but I thought that was the case.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=OveroHunter;6387233]
Aren’t they planning on phasing out N/H registration in the future as well? I don’t remember the specifics, but I thought that was the case.[/QUOTE]

I thought so, about 2012 or13 or so, but have not heard anything else about that for a year now.
May not have been implemented.
To deny registration to any offspring from two duly registered parents is a legal nightmare, many hoops to jump thru to do it right.
There is right now a lawsuit filed against the no clone registrations.

Look at breeding with the splash gene and deafness.
Sure, some say a deaf horse is still ok, but why breed ANY kind of unsoundness?
Why bred parrot mouth, sure, you can feed the horse all it’s life and a few great race horses were parrot mouth, but why not do as breeders should do, bred the best to the best, not compromise?
There are many horses without genetic faults, we don’t need any one special line being bred from those that have faults.
We gamble every time we breed, lets stack the odds in the offspring’s favor.

Then those are more complicated questions than just saying “do what is right”, because there are also the rights of the breeders to consider, even if they are rationally wrong.
That is why the lawsuits, to prove who is right and up to now, the AQHA has lost against the rights of owners.
Remember Malvin Hatley white rule, that the AQHA lost at a great financial cost to them?:no:

[7HL]

If anyone has ever watched a horse go through the seizures, there wouldn’t be any question.

I watched a woman who adopted a horse from a rescue told by the rescue she could put the horse down. They also didn’t want to take the horse back because of the ongoing costs associated with care.

The issue with HYPP could have been settled years ago. It really boiled down to money. Some not wanting to take the financial loss.

There must be a market for the N/H horses though

The only market should be meat.

[beaujolais]

Thanks for explaining, all.

What are some of the characteristics (temperament & appearance) of Impressive line horses, if you would, please?

[RRD]

I already went over my mares temperament but here is what she looks like and she does have the Impressive “look”…but like I said she is not a great big horse, and I would say the majority of Impressive bred horses are.

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/P1110382.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/P1110399.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/BDB%20FASHION%20DESIGN/P1110455.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/040-4.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/007-11.jpg

[OveroHunter]

Gorgeous horse RRD!

My Impressive bred N/N gelding has the best personality and temperment of any horse I have ever come across. He is the definition of an all arounder. He learns easily and is up for everything.

He is heavily halter bred, which I hate for him. I really think people need to stop breeding for freakish size because now at 8 years old, he is built downhill and is super bulky which keeps him from being very athletic. Luckily he doesn’t seem to know this about himself and tries his heart out anyway

Here are some pics of him:
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2384656880043029495eEMRiV
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2123959240043029495jIgHUQ
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2785740430043029495slWbBI
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2785124360043029495lrTBFo
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100893411004030.3025619.4923850&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=10100893417426160&set=a.10100893411004030.3025619.4923850&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100893411004030.3025619.4923850&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=10100893418648710&set=a.10100893411004030.3025619.4923850&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100252101483450.2906417.4923850&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=10100252103604200&set=a.10100252101483450.2906417.4923850&type=3&theater

[RRD]

He is the definition of an all arounder
AMEN! liking it…love your bareback pics and return your compliment of Gorgeousness ;), what is his complete pedigree? if you don’t mind me asking…

[spotsinabox]

I use to run the other way from the Impressive horses …but I will admit one of the nicest outside mares we bred was line-bred Impressive. A daughter of Coosa, her foals have been great riders as well as being pretty. She is N/N.

I know there are people who are comfortable with N/H …but I don’t think it’s worth the risk. Even if they don’t have symptons, it’s just a time bomb waiting to go off.

I would love to see more judges reward ‘normal’ horses in halter… after all, it’s suppose to define the breed.

[SuckerForHorses]

[QUOTE=spotsinabox;6387699]
I would love to see more judges reward ‘normal’ horses in halter… after all, it’s suppose to define the breed.[/QUOTE]

I too get annoyed when model classes are supposed to be judged based on the best representation of the breed characteristics, and these hunks with teacup feet and so much muscle they can barely get out of their own way are the ones who place. The QH originated as an athletic working breed…those horses aren’t good for anything except to look at (and I don’t even think they’re good for that! Give me a well built, athletic horse any day!)

[No offense to those who have the halter bred horses, I have seen some that I do like, but I don’t find them to be a great representation of the QH breed for which it was originally intended…an athletic worker. Model classes should look for that, not mass muscle and tiny feet.]

[spotsinabox]

Unfortunately, I think there is just too much specialization in several events … going to the ‘extreme’ has ruined many gene pools.

I know the judges can only judge what is in the class …but I think if more would take a stand against some of the excessive examples, it would help … instead of making another class like ‘performance halter’ …

[RRD]

A daughter of Coosa, her foals have been great riders as well as being pretty. She is N/N.

Agree, Coosa is who my mare gos back to and he is N/N.

Unfortunately, I think there is just too much specialization in several events … going to the ‘extreme’ has ruined many gene pools.

Agree, I miss the Supreme Champion days…