Quality Road's major tantrum--no more--- he wins the DONN!

Why the in world is this whole gate episode being rehashed is beyond me.

He’s moved past it so let’s all do the same.

Quality Road is by many accounts a good contender to achieve Horse of the Year for 2010 if his promising form holds up along with his body.

Blindfolding and somewhat rushing him in the gate was IMHO the product of the crew feeling rushed with live tv, tens of millions of dollars if not a hundred million plus in wagers waiting on the release and the tension of the crowd there. The Virginia-bred and owned (E. Evans) horse has got gobs of talent and wouldn’t be the first horse to not overly love the gate.

He wasn’t hurting going to the gate, was only marginally cut from it and the episode didn’t end his career.

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Quality Road is . . . Horse of the Year for 2010.[/QUOTE]

You heard it here first folks!!! future book here I come!

Happy New Year everyone.

hey Alagirl.

NO I do not do racing. Do not agree with the treatment of horses. Do not like the standards of most of the trainers. Do not agree with the way the business is ran or how they try to make so much money from the sport.
I do however.
Love the back side of the track. The history of the sport.
it just baffle’s me in so many ways.

If you don’t “do” racing, then how the hell do you know 1)how the horses are treated and 2) what the standards are of “most” trainers?

frankly, you know squat then.

Grab the lead rope of a horse, trained and primped to race. Go to a small track, take him from the barn to the paddock. Feel the atmosphere. It is NOTHING like a horse show. I promise you that.

Armchair trainers have a solution to everything - I don’t exclude myself either, I am small town of small town - but unless you actually have been there, you don’t know.

I doubt I will ever saddle anything that would qualify for the Breeders cup card, but I have had my share of magical transformation with a horse you could originally tie to the starting gate who then decided he would rather not keep his hooves on the turf…it’s not even apples to oranges.

That horse was not treated wrong. he had a brain fart and mental overload. [Stuff] happens.
Could it been handled differently? Probably. Does that automatically mean the horse does not like to race or it hurts? BS.

OK TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

I SAID I DO NOT DO RACING .FIRST AND FOREMOST.:mad:
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Alagirl" I have done and had horses probably longer than you have lived. ( over 40 yrs ) :wink:
SO BEFORE YOU SPEAK MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS IN ORDER.
I HAVE BEEN TO MANY. AND I MEAN MANY TRACKS AND MOST .
I SAY MOST . OF THE TRAINERS DO HAVE POOR TREATMENT.
SO PLEASE… IF YOU HAVE SUCH A HOSTILE OPINION
KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

I was simply making a statement like everyone else. and WHY YOU have to get so defensive. ?:wink:
makes me wonder.
You know . you get more honey with sugar than salt . sweety …

Some can say the same for h/j trainers, dressage trainers, WP trainers, etc. And I’m a h/j rider/owner. I also grew up on the track. “Most” trainers do not treat their horses poorly. “Most” trainers on the track treat their horses very well as do “most” h/j, dressage, WP, etc. trainers. There are a few trainers in all disciplines who don’t treat their horses very well and they give the rest a bad name.

Uh-Oh. This looks like the kind of post you see on the Hunter/Jumper forum. They are very defensive over there!

So far, I haven’t noted any hostility–execpt this post…

Wow. Back off the bold and the cap lock and take a deep breath. :rolleyes:

You asked for input and you got it:

The gate is a difficult place on the track when it’s a regular day at the races, small crowds and little money on the line.

Excited horses (they know they get to run in a little), high adrenaline people, after all they have a tight schedule to keep and small things can flip the switch from normal to melt down.

Add an excited crows, TV cameras and a HELICOPTER I think conventional wisdom is pretty much out the window.

There’s your answer: the horse had a meltdown due to the pressure of the crowd, the noise and the helicopter. The gate men might have pushed him a bit too hard. He said “Nope, ain’t playin’” and he got his way–scratched at the gate.

His trainer gave him a couple months to regroup and schooled him extensively. In his first start back, he was well-mannered at the gate and he won pretty handily.

How is that not a success? Personally, I expected him to always be bad at the gate, but he was absolutely fine in his comeback.

Since I got a similar PM yelling at me.

I have to apologize I took a few minutes to eat lunch, I was not here to directly answer.

I said what I said, meant it, still do, and I don’t care how old one is, it has in many cases not a heckuva lot to do with what people know. I have met a lot of young people who can run circles around me in some subjects.

So, as it stands, horse had brainfart, recovered and overcame.

So in essence what a bunch of armchair trainers think is irrelevant.

Here We Go Again Equinoxfox

Hello Equinoxfox,
The below is something I posted on May 24, 2002. It still holds true today. Of course I’m now 49 years-old and if anything I feel more strongly than I did back them.

From 5/24/02 <<<Hi All,
I feel a need to wade into this fray. I’ve been around all kinds of horses my whole life - hunters and jumpers, polo ponies, foxhunters, western pleasure horses, dressage horses, event horses, gaited horses, and racehorses.

I’m now 41 (*now 49), and have seen more sadness than anyone should have to deal with. I was there the day Ruffian broke down, and I was there when poor Exogenous flipped at the Breeder’s Cup. These are well-known examples of things that happened on the racetrack - everyone is aware of them because racing is in the news more than any other horse sport. Both of these horses had brilliant trainers who loved these mares with all their heart. Accidents happen - it is a part of any horse sport.

However, I’ve also seen hunters headed to be cripples by the age of 8 because of being lunged for hours and then jumped over a 100 ‘warm-up’ fences before their first class; I’ve seen unfit polo ponies pass out on the polo field; I’ve seen foxhunters fall down because the novice on their back didn’t know what a two-point position was; I’ve seen western pleasure ‘trainers’ deprive their horse of water for hours so that it went ‘dog quiet’; I’ve seen event horses die by breaking legs and necks; I’ve seen dressage horses with blood running from their mouths because the ‘trainer’ had such rough hands; and I’ve seen gaited horses have their brains fried by people setting off fireworks to get the horses upheaded and bright-eyed.

There is abuse and stupidity in every horse discipline. Don’t point fingers just at horse racing! That’s a slippery slope for all horse sports if you start down that hill. There are bad apples in every barrel.

The real issue should be humane education across the board for all horseman. That being said, 99% of the horsemen I meet love their horses and will feed their horses before they buy their own breakfast.

I’ll be honest, if there were a poll, I’ll bet racetrackers donate more money to horse rescues and equine scientific research like the Grayson Jockey Club Foundation (that benefits all horses) than any other group of horseman. I have no statistics on this, but I run with a lot of different ‘crowds’ and I know how generous racetrackers are - from the hotwalkers up to the millionaire owners.

You can argue with me all you want - I’ve been there, done that, and I know what I’ve seen.

Hallie McEvoy
Racing Dreams, LLC>>>

Continuing these thoughts - I have to ask - do you think Rodney Jenkins and Michael Matz are poor horsemen? Why would they switch from the top of the show jumping world to become racehorse trainers?

As far as Quality Road goes, I’m good friends with Diana Baker, the wife of Chris Baker, the manager of Ned Evans farm. Do you have any idea how much they love and adore this horse?

As I mentioned in another thread, some top horses through the years have been touchy in the gate. A good example of this is Display, the fierce handicap horse.

Of all the trainers I’ve seen and worked with, the best, by far, have been racehorse conditioners. Some of the worst I have seen are hunter/jumper ‘trainers.’ And, if you need a review of my credentials, here is a brief list:

  • Former USEF Recorded Judge in Hunters and Hunter Seat Equitation.

  • Author of three books about riding (and more on the way) along with thousands of articles and photographs in everything from Chronicle of the Horse to The Paint Horse Journal to L’ Annee Hippique.

  • Former Media Chief or Assistant Media Chief at such events as the National Horse Show, the Rolex Kentucky Three-Day Event, the USET Festival of Champions, the Lake Placid Horse Shows, and the NAYRC.

  • Was also licensed as a mule and donkey judge (yes, licensed to judge asses :slight_smile: - a handy trait!).

  • A polo player back in the late 1970s and early 1980s making me one of the first female players in this country.

  • A side-saddle rider (in Practical Horsemen George Morris called me 'a very good side-saddle rider).

  • Have shown H/J, Western Pleasure, gaited horses, driving, etc.

  • A frequent volunteer through the years for 4-H and Pony Club.

  • I was lucky enough to work under the legendary Dr. Arthur Fredericks, DVM in the early 1980s exercising foxhunters and getting them out to hunt.

  • I was taught a lot of stable skills by Ted Landers, one of the most brilliant horsemen to ever hold a bridle (he is the author of several books about racing including ‘The Professional Care and Grooming of the Racehorse.’).

  • Have managed stables of up to 75 horses.

  • Have bred some wonderful winners on the track who then went on to great second careers.

  • Was the Chairman of the USEF Breeders Committee.

  • And so on…

Yeah, there are some bad horseracing trainers out there, but you have NO IDEA what I’ve seen at horse shows, etc. One of my biggest peeves is that a lot of horse show trainers only know how to ride and teach - they don’t even know how to wrap (much less be able to tell you what a ‘spider wrap’ is…).

My suggestion Equinoxfox is to take a chill pill and (literally) get off your high horse. If you dislike racing go post elsewhere.

Hallie
Hallie I. McEvoy
Racing Dreams, LLC

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SO BEFORE YOU SPEAK MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS IN ORDER.
I HAVE BEEN TO MANY. AND I MEAN MANY TRACKS AND MOST .
I SAY MOST . OF THE TRAINERS DO HAVE POOR TREATMENT.
SO PLEASE… IF YOU HAVE SUCH A HOSTILE OPINION
KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

I was simply making a statement like everyone else. and WHY YOU have to get so defensive. ?:wink:
makes me wonder.
You know . you get more honey with sugar than salt . sweety …[/QUOTE]

Marching into the racing forum, populated by many passionate and caring racetrackers, and declaring that ‘most trainers have poor treatment’ is a pretty darn hostile opinion.

It would appear that QR has overcome his issues. I look forward to seeing him demonstrate his talents uninhibited by mental hiccups this year.

Controversy aside, and not at all to slight any of your other accomplishments or experience, but this simply must be made into a business card:

Hallie McEvoy,
Ass Judge and
Very Good Side-Saddle Rider

You rock Hallie. You rock.

Horse of the Year 2010? I see your “Horse of the Year,” and raise you one “Injured and Retired.”

Any case, he looked good the other day!

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Horse of the Year 2010? I see your “Horse of the Year,” and raise you one “Injured and Retired.”[/QUOTE]

To be clear as I cited there is talk of him being aimed for that as the goal along with the Breeders Cup Classic at Churchill Downs. If I was putting down money I’d move it to Rachel Alexandra provided she resumes her training in [Feb] with the same form she had in 2009.

It is rather bold however to aim for HOY 5 days into the new year :slight_smile: Baby steps like focusing on winning the Donn Handicap and then maybe the Pimlico Special (if Maryland will even had that again) are far better goals.

I am sure in Vegas the board was up the second HOY 09 was announced! :lol:

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I am sure in Vegas the board was up the second HOY 09 was announced! :lol:[/QUOTE]

You may be right :wink: As 12-28-09 the Wynn|Encore Odds Book has Lentenor at 150-1 to win the Kentucky Derby. It still seems like a sucker bet even at those odds :slight_smile: QR at HOY would be pegged under 30-1 but above 10-1 I suspect …

So, what are you basing your pronouncements on? Obviously not fact [edit]

SO BEFORE YOU SPEAK MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS IN ORDER.
Sounds like you should take your own advice.

I HAVE BEEN TO MANY. AND I MEAN MANY TRACKS AND MOST .
I SAY MOST . OF THE TRAINERS DO HAVE POOR TREATMENT.
When and where? What trainers? Why didn’t you report them to the stewards? What were the exact occurances that you saw?

SO PLEASE… IF YOU HAVE SUCH A HOSTILE OPINION
KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.
You’re the one being hostile.

I was simply making a statement like everyone else. and WHY YOU have to get so defensive. ?:wink:
Asking you to back up your fallacious statements with facts is not being defensive. Posting the bold wall of text with extra emoticons is. Making a statement would have been “I saw X happen at Y venue on Z day and now I personally believe that ABC discipline is 123”

makes me wonder.
That makes two of us

You know . you get more honey with sugar than salt
Lol.I think you meant to say “You get more bees with honey than with vinegar”
. sweety …
Bless your little heart, I’m not your sweety.

Excellent restraint overall thus far in response to a provacative post. Please keep it that way and we’ll address things further privately.

Thanks!
Mod 1

[QUOTE=Equinoxfox;4599829]
I SAID I DO NOT DO RACING .FIRST AND FOREMOST.:mad:
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Alagirl" I have done and had horses probably longer than you have lived. ( over 40 yrs ) :wink:
SO BEFORE YOU SPEAK MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS IN ORDER.
I HAVE BEEN TO MANY. AND I MEAN MANY TRACKS AND MOST .
I SAY MOST . OF THE TRAINERS DO HAVE POOR TREATMENT.
SO PLEASE… IF YOU HAVE SUCH A HOSTILE OPINION
KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

I was simply making a statement like everyone else. and WHY YOU have to get so defensive. ?:wink:
makes me wonder.
You know . you get more honey with sugar than salt . sweety …[/QUOTE]

And I’ve also been to many tracks and walked around the back side looking at horses for sale. While i will say that i think there are quite a few trainers who i personally think are unqualified horse owners who just got into the business with little knowledge about horses, especially racehorses, because they wanted to win money in the game. But the MAJORITY of all trainers i have met on the track understand that caring for their horses properly, giving them good treatment, good feed, and taking care of their legs pays off in the end.

bottom line is if you don’t take care of your horses health and soundness, they are not going to win for you and as a trainer in this type of industry, your livlihood depends on that winning paycheck. if you take good care of your horse, the horse is healthy, with legs that have been looked after daily with proper precautions, that horse is going to perform the best that it can. I’ve walked around with CANTER volunteers, etc and met all sorts of trainers and seen many horses and visited many, many barns. I’ve been to the farms in KY and talked with all sorts of people, trainers, managers, specialists, etc. Beautiful horses who are groomed, and gleaming in good health at no matter what track you go to. Horses who have the best grain and hay, and have free choice hay, horse’s who’s stalls are picked out routinely throughout the day, and also grooms who take great pride in the steeds within their barns.

Sure there are trainers out there who dont hand out the best care, theres people like that in all aspects in any area of the horse industry. Trainers provide the care that they can afford. while most trainers at the lower level tracks cant afford the million dollar treatments for horses in say pletcher or zito’s barns, but they do the best they can for their horses and they will do what they can to help make their horses perform their best. Saying that the majority of all trainers dont care for their horses properly is insulting to all involved in racing, one way or the other. Its well known that the majority of all trainers in these barns take great pride in their horses and it shows when you walk through the barns to look at horses.

I have a 9 yr old OTTB who retired SOUND at 8 years old. there is not a single bump, bow, NOTHING on his legs…anywhere. he ran in the big trainers barns as a 3 and 4 yr old before taking a yr off due to a minor injury. when he return he very successfuly raced in lower level tracks but he still continued to campaign and win for his trainers. Why? because they took excellent care of him and his needs, and when you stand and look at him-it clearly shows. this horse wouldnt have raced for that long, won as much money as he did, and wouldnt have a clean bill of health if it wasnt for the excellent care and love given to him throughout his career. And yes; his trainer still emails regularly to check up on him and to see how he is doing.