Questioning a board price increase - yes, I understand inflation

I don’t think any boarder (well most, i hope) expects an increase in board only due to expenses. When we were running our farm business full time we were not able to take an increase in salary due to all the other increases we had to pay for to keep the buildings up and running, taxes, insurance etc.

Our living expenses sure changed in those 7 years and a modest salary increase would have been appreciated. It should be no different for a BO/ BM.

Especially when prices for everything are rising, it is just nice to know why and that is what started this whole thread. Maybe it is more touchy since horses are a hobby for most of the owners? They don’t see it as a real business for the BO that should be profitable?

@SCI if the barn is providing grain and the prices keep rising I do think you should be reimbursed for the increases as often as they go up. Send an email or text or whatever to notify boarders and why.

Hopefully it will be short lived and prices will come down but it may be a while.

We are in different times at the moment. People know that.

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I think being able to have horses is a luxury and a passion that most reasonable people can’t actually afford, but are trying to do so. So when prices adjust to reflect inflation and what rates actually should be, it naturally puts pressure on that idea that they can afford it.

I get that. When I was boarding my horse, he cost -

$675/mo in board
$120/mo in supplements
$200/mo in shoes
$50/mo in vet bills (amortized over the year)
$200/mo in insurance
$300/mo in training/lessons

So - not even including showing, I was already paying $1545/mo for my horse. This is not counting my truck payment, trailer payment, tack addiction etc. It’s a wonder my husband hasn’t already divorced me :slight_smile:

I make a fair amount of money - above average, 6 figures but not enough to be in the 1% in the US. But do I make enough to justify throwing $20k/year at a hobby? Again, without even showing? That would be a hecking nice vacation or a better car for hubby.

So - that part, on the part of boarders, I understand. At the same time, with costs rising, barn owners can’t be expected to subsidize YOUR $20k/year hobby or retired horse. So there’s tension on both sides of this/all of this. We’re all feeling the pain of increased costs and wages not keeping up.

This is a great graph that explains some of the issue pretty clearly.

The middle class IS getting priced out of horses.

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Actually, my original BO, who sold her farm is AWESOME. She’s checked on him multiple times since he (and she) moved. We met on COTH via my original post years ago looking for a rehab farm, that obviously turned into a retirement situation.

You wanna know how awesome she is? She’s already reached out today, having seen this and we are working on another option. She’s the absolute best, which I badly needed after my original sale situation went very south and I was burned out and leery of another bad situation.

But yeah, COTH can be an awesome resource and if I had needed it I would have def reached out here.

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I finally sat down with my bookwork today, and caught things up. So far, by boarding 6 horses on my higher-end facility (and market rates towards the top end of the scale) – factoring in the increased costs I’ve been facing recently – I have made $761 since January 1st. At 2.5 hours/day of my personal labor, that means I made $3.38 per hour.

But I went on vacation in February and had to pay my farmsitter $1200, so all in all, I’ve lost around $500 so far this year – but had the luxury of going somewhere warm for 2 weeks, so I guess I’ve just indulged myself too much to be “profitable.”

There you have it, in numbers. None of that accounts for inflationary hay prices this year, I’m still using last year’s. I hope some boarders can now see why board prices HAVE to go up.

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Like somebody said at the start of this thread ( or maybe a similar thread ) you have to ask yourself as a boarder - am I getting what I am paying for? If this barn owner is pricing themselves out of your budget you should look around and see what is available. If other people are more reasonable for the same amenities then move your horse. Those barn owners pricing themselves over the market value for their services will lose business. However if you look around and the other similar barn situations are costing the same thing as your new price then maybe this is the new market price for these services.

No other business has to justify price increases. If Mountain Dew goes up ( which it did) I don’t look to see what their profit margin is - I buy Mello Yello. If all the barn owners are making a huge profit margin then there is a niche in the market for new people to set themselves up and get into the outrageous profits. You don’t need a four year degree or take a test to set up a barn. You just need access to capital and a plan. If this was so profitable you would see lots of new businesses being set up. But mostly you see people getting out.

And if somebody can tell me how I can afford a covered arena ( which probably costs somewhere between 200k-400k ) and the associated interest for the borrowed funds and pay for it with increased revenue streams from boarding - PLEASE clue me in! I would even board horses if I could somehow afford a covered arena and it wouldn’t take me 3 lifetimes to pay for it. That is if anybody would lend me the money in the first place.

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After reading the whole thread, I had a couple of comments: first, NOBODY works harder, works longer hours, takes on more thankless jobs, and is more dedicated than my BM - and I honestly believe that most! BMs (and BOs) have this same work ethic - or close to it.

They are sacrificing their free time, their labor, their very life to look after the horses in their care - for very little compensation. Some are better caretakers than others, obviously!, but their profit margin is almost always slim. TOO slim, IMO, for the amount of backbreaking work required.

My BM has a huge operation: 500 acres, 150+ horses, broodmares, babies, layups, retirees, and tons of youngsters in various stages - with a handful of boarders who ride (me being one of the very few.) My board is inexpensive due to the fact that there are sooo many horses there - and my two (one on stall board, one retired and on field board), are very low-maintenance, as am I.

There are always compromises, of course - but my horses are happy - and that’s the most important thing for me.

Anyway, my other point was that as I read the OP’s OP, she wasn’t “quibbling” about the board increase, per se, she was puzzled by the significantly larger percentage increase for the field boarders. It sounds like the pasture board is “minimal care” - much like mine is. In my case, my horse gets a field (a decently sized one, with okay grass - though she has recently been moved to a smaller T/O with more horses around her), a water trough (no heater - they break the ice once a day in winter), no shelter (I have great T/O blankets), no grain - a few times I have asked that my horse gets a small amount but this has been a total of 6 months at various times over a 10 year period), and roundbales in winter. My horse’s T/O field gets mowed a few times a year, never dragged (and no manure removal); the weeds do get bad - but again, the fields are large so it’s less of an issue. They do replace fenceboards, but it’s on a leisurely schedule (so sometimes days to a week or two if there’s a broken board.) There is a room in a nearby barn to store blankets and supplies (and I could bring my mare into the barn) but no ring - she’s retired, like the rest of the horses in surrounding T/O so no real need. My BO does put on and remove blankets as needed (or change them), though this is maybe? 8-10 times a year. I try to ask her for next to nothing, and for no extras; she has enough on her plate. I leave fly spray by my horse’s field and if a worker has spare time and is filling a trough nearby, they will spray her. (15 times a year or so?) There is an eye on her once a day. VERY basic care. Luckily she is extremely hardy and an excellent keeper with great feet - just a healthy horse - I’m very lucky! :blush:

If the OP’s situation is similar to mine, it seems surprising that her field board went up this much unless there was some new associated cost?, and of course board should always be raised to cover increased costs so the BM isn’t subsidizing horses, but actually making some kind of a VERY much deserved profit.

I think that’s what it boils down to.

In which case it’s not at all unreasonably to inquire as to why it wasn’t “in line with” the increase for the stall boarders (expecting that board increases are normal and to be expected); it’s likely there is a reason (so not unreasonable to ask), and the OP seems gunshy as a result of past experiences so that is probably why she was concerned. Obviously BMs need to turn a profit, and I don’t think she was suggesting otherwise!

For those reasons, I think the jumping on the OP is a bit excessive. Just my $0.2.

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You can’t. Not unless you give a lot of lessons, sell a lot of horses, or plan on a lot of clinics. Even then it’s iffy. The economics just don’t work out and you’ll never get it back when selling the property.

I’m going to put in a covered roundpen so that I can continue to work horses in the rain or winter. Not perfect, but I can build it “myself” or with local helpful labor. I had a fence contractor come in with a quote in February which was already high, but by the time we made a decision (last week) it was increased by $4/board foot. I will not be using a fence contractor, I’ll be doing my own fencing for the new paddocks I have to put in.

And you’re right - more people are getting out of it than are getting in. I am not sure if I mentioned it upthread, but I’m in a Barn Owner’s group on Facebook and almost daily I see a post about someone closing their farm.

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I think you’re reading the edited version. The first version was very much talking about “challenging” the board increase. Then most of us were responding to other people not understanding the economics of boarding :slight_smile:

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Hmm, okay.

I didn’t read challenging it as much as being puzzled by it and wanting an explanation - so yes, maybe she edited it?

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I built an indoor in 2019 for around $300k. I have to think it would be well north of $400k now.

My $761 “profit” doesn’t include anything about the indoor, which is depreciated by my accountant and carries no mortgage. I am sure my actual income is far worse than Quickbooks suggests. No one could ever do such a thing and make a profit boarding.

The reality is that my profit model comes from sales. The farm does allow me to raise young ones reasonably affordably, hopefully get a show record on them, and sell for good prices, but it’s definitely the long tail of profit concepts.

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As someone who’s had horses my whole life and always had to board, I can’t help but feel frustrated with the frequent, “Ugh, boarders are so awful and ungrateful! Don’t you know that every cent of that $1000 per month goes directly into buying feed, hay, and bedding for Dobbin and we make zero profit whatsoever! How dare you ask for less expensive board!” posts that equine professions frequently share on social media.

I don’t doubt that some boarders have no concept of what it costs to feed and care for a horse, or the additional work beyond said feeding of the horse that goes into running a farm. And I don’t doubt that a vocal minority piss and moan about prices and accuse barn owners of being greedy.

But on the flip side, those of us that have had horses for decades and aren’t fortunate enough to be very wealthy are just trying to find ways to keep our beloved horses happy and healthy without going bankrupt. And sometimes it can be hard to find a barn within budget that prioritizes the right things. Keep your climate controlled tackroom/lounge and heated wash stall and GGT footing, I’ll happily brave the cold and ride on plain ol’ sand and have that money go toward more/better hay instead.

I’m lucky to have what is basically the perfect boarding situation, with great care for my horses and all the things I consider important at a very reasonable price, and when the price did increase some I totally understood, because I don’t live under a rock.

But I do get tired of the endless posts that seem to tar any boarder who tries to find an affordable option without sacrificing the important things as being greedy and having no idea what goes into caring for a horse.

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I got quotes for an 80x120 indoor for $350k…for materials. That was the cheapest quote, before these latest increases (so, quotes at the end of 2021) Not including foundation, labor, or of course footing.

So, to put in a reasonably sized one is approximately $500-600k right now at least in this part of the country - and I’m not even in a part of the country that gets heavy snow loads. Ugh.

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You are VERY much in the minority. I wish you weren’t, but you are.

And sadly, some of the wealthiest people - the people who haven’t been priced out yet - are the biggest complainers. They always seem to be the ones with the hardest to deal with horses too - go figure :slight_smile:

Which is why many of us on this thread are expressing not contempt for boarders, but our own personal pain at trying to keep costs down for people like you - the people we want at our barns. We sweat every price increase for your sake, not for ours. We analyze and hope that we’re putting in the right amenities so that people feel good about the costs of our barn vs. others. Everyone says they provide great care, but it takes time to establish that you actually do. Our attrition rate has been zero once the initial price change happened when we bought the place, but now I worry about the people who I care very much about who I know can’t absorb much more.

A lot of us are reacting to the original post and others upthread that suggested that we were “not smart businesspeople” and we should “add more services” and our rates were arbitrary and needed to be challenged. Those people are right in a way - if we’d have been smart, we’d never have opened an equine business.

But then there’d be nowhere to board - which is happening regularly in this country. I live in a major metro area which used to be an equine heaven for a particular industry. Taxation changes started the move, but the sprawl of the city ate up all the farms. It did so because margins became so slim and the developer money became so great that it was stupid for people to hold on.

That part is terrible for our industry overall. Eventually, something has to give. I’m worried about farmers too and our national food supply - this whole fertilizer situation has been awful.

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So - fatappy, I realized that most of us were no longer responding to your original post, so I’m just going to pull this back in.

If you challenge it, yes, you’ll likely be asked to leave. But, if you’re on good terms with the BO, you can probably say “hey - I noticed this…why is it” and they may tell you exactly what’s going on. My guess (and it’s just a guess) is that it’s that the pasture board hasn’t kept up with inflation and needed a big adjustment. If you’re not on good terms with her already, well, do you really want to stay there?

Where are you that you don’t need to feed hay at all? I can’t imagine where on earth that would be. I want to move there!

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Here ya go- Just got an email from my manure dumpster company. Our dumpster is hauled away once per week. In the last 4 months they have gone from 300 to 320 to 340 Per Haul, so that’s per week for me. 2 weeks ago they instituted a $9.50 per haul fuel surcharge. Today’s email changed that to $19.50 per haul. My hay, feed, bedding have all gone up as well. Plus my employees all want raises to pay for their inflation increases. I went up on my board in January, but I will be adding a surcharge starting in April. It will have to reflect my increased costs.

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I’m not fatappy, but here in the Deep South, it’s not uncommon to not need hay or need very little. We can grow grass year round. Overseeding the summer grasses with annual ryegrass mix. Perhaps that’s the OP’s situation.

Course ryegrass is hungry as heck. Needs a lot of fertilizer to get good production. Maybe that fertilizer is what caused the “unfair” difference in rate increases

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I am not wealthy but I live in an area where land is cheap and I had a gawdawful commute for decades to pay for my modest farm. I was also a boarder for decades - both self care and full board so I know the other side of things. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the OP thinking - “OK I have been paying $350 a month for pasture board. My horse gets fed one time a day, gets no hay and has no shelter. This was not ideal but it worked for me. This setup is not worth the $400 a month price after this increase. I know that Susie down the road pays $375 for the same deal and Jane pays $400 down the road and the horses have shelter. I don’t feel the new price is worth it and I am going to look elsewhere.”

But to go to the barn owner and question her reasons in a whiny manner is pretty dumb. You could approach her and say “Wow! All these feed and fuel price increases must be hitting you pretty hard! I am getting worried about how everybody is going to be able to afford a horse”. Then if you don’t put her on the defensive she might open up and tell you what all has hit the business financially and why she reasoned the increase the way she did.

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But you know what? The reality of this may be that you can’t. And it’s not just horses. There are many things that the not-wealthy are getting priced out of. And if prices keep going up, at some point I may well become a former horse owner instead of a horse owner.

More than one person posting here has said or implied that BOs ought not raise board because their boarders can’t afford it. But who, then, is supposed to pick up the tab? If the BO’s cost/horse is $700/month, how can they be expected to keep board at $650/month because that’s all you can afford to pay? That extra $50/month has to come from someplace. It’s certainly not reasonable to think the BO should just eat those extra costs.

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Ahhh good to know. I guess I thought it would dry out and not be edible or nutritious for some parts of the year.

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Not a barn owner, but this is what is happening in my area as well. And it is a comparatively horse-dense population. Barn owners and prospective barn owners are just finding that the trade-offs are no longer worthwhile. Horse owners are either turning to their own farms, or making some hard decisions re affordability, and even if there is boarding available at all.

If I thought I could make it work financially, I would have become a boarding barn owner years ago. Unfortunately it just doesn’t make any sense, even if it paid for my own horse (one horse).

Not only is it too hard financially, but there is so much risk that a wrong turn in costs puts board out of reach of boarders … and there is the unpleasant fallout of not being able to keep them. We are all facing some harsh realities just now.

You may have to raise board every month to keep from subsidizing other people’s horse ownership. Not your job to do that.

You and your boarders are all in the same boat, re sudden cost increases. We are all hoping that this boat isn’t a lifeboat from the Titanic. But if it is, everyone has to do what they have to do to save themselves.

I am not a BO. But a couple of days ago when I made my weekly stop at the gas pump, the price per gallon was a 50% increase over last week. My eyes popped and I had a visually/audibly noticeable reaction when I registered the new price. Total fill-up was $25 more than last week.

That’s going to be about $100/month more just for gas … and I didn’t take the trailer-with-horse anywhere this month!

And I do not expect that to get better any time soon - maybe ever?

This is a weird time re prices and even availability of basic supplies. There is no knowing if this is a “blip” of a few weeks, if it’s temporary as in a few months … or if this is the new reality for who knows how long in the future.

This wonderful graph also shows who gets hit hardest when economic downturns happen.

There are huge uncertainties in the world just now. None are quick & easy fixes.

Honestly, we all need to be planning for an even more expensive future for our horses. We can hope it doesn’t work out that way, but we need to start preparing some options in case it does.

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