Rats?

I’m glad you seem to have sourced the issue to flax. I effing hate rats. I lived in a dumpy rental house long ago and suddenly at the end of the summer an army of rats moved under the back of the house, tunneling in to the rubbermaid dog food tubs. I mean, like thirty pounds of dog food gone. Disgusting.

But, if you have a friend with a Jack Russell, invite them over or host the dog for a few nights in a row. Ours is an irrepressible killer, 14 pounds of serial murder. I take out the flyswatter to smack some flies in the kitchen and ours is on my heels, joyfully leaping up and snapping at the swatter because something’s fixing to die. It’s a good thing he’s not bigger. The cat recently brought in a kangaroo rat (which are darling, and not like the barn rats in the least). The cat proudly showed me his prize and in the blink of an eye - truly, so fast it was astounding - the terrier materialized and did the poor thing in. Then the cat looked at me and said, “really?”

Also, I didn’t read whether you have barn cats, but every one we’ve had has made a huge difference in our barn. No sign of rodents anywhere, for years, much to the terrier’s dismay.

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CindyCRNA - $1600 - WOW!!!

Equibrit - The peppermint oil-soaked rag is fantastic! I’ll start using that for truck (they’ve been there), car (same), tractor (same), just about everything. We like snakes and we use ammonia bags for them - just by the house though, not the barn.

So far, our Australian Shepherd has caught 2 rats - he’s so proud of himself!

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Seriously, if you can get some jack russell terriers (preferably those bred from “working lines” and not show lines) and have them hang at the barn, they will solve your rat problem and provide you with free entertainment. They are hilarious and watching their athleticism with astound you. They are much better than cats IMO.

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The only problem with a trusty team of terrific terriers is that they tear stuff apart to get to the cursed critters. I have large windows that look out on a deck. ALL the window trim was gnawed to oblivion in pursuit of the lizard who flips them off from outside. I had to slide something down between window and screen to stop the little b—ards.

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Oi! I haven’t had that happen but my dogs are all outside for at least half the day (or night if it’s hot). They come inside and crash.

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This thread resulted in me becoming addicted to watching YouTube videos of rat packs. A mob of terriers raining destruction on rat populations at assorted farms. It’s violent, but the dogs appear to be living their best life.

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If that tickles your fancy, check out the mink guy. Those animals are SAVAGES.

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My guys have permanent access in/out through the basement doggy door. They CHOOSE what they do :laughing:

More video; https://www.youtube.com/c/SuffolkandNorfolkRatPack/videos

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I have Gretel. She left me a present at the front door this morning. She may be little but she is fierce. I don’t see rats because she takes care of them before they become a problem.

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It was horrific. They chewed gas lines, electric cables, the steering wheel. Ugh.

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She had another one this AM. One of the big nasty ones. I hope it doesn’t end up at my front door. It has been hot and extremely dry here and I think they are looking for a good place to spend the winter. Not in my barn ( or my house, horrors!). Stay out in the wild and you will be safe.

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So I can’t figure out their food sources. All horse and goat food is kept in metal trash cans and the vitamin minerals are kept in kibble vaults that have been coated in RapLast. The only other thing I have that is edible out is hay and my goats vitamin mineral mix which they haven’t touched. I moved the vitamin mineral mix to the top of the goats playground area so its out in the open away from all rat activity.

I feed horses outside for both meals to keep grain outside the barn and my feed room is spotless…

My neighbors have chickens so I’m thinking they are using me for shelter and dinner at the neighbors.

On a plus, I found a huge clutch of eggs that my black snake laid… I quit counting after 45 eggs…

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I keep waffling on replying because this isn’t a very popular opinion but please don’t drown trapped rats. It is way beyond cruel. Rats do not like water and like horses, have similar depth perception of water and a natural aversion for it.

If you have to dispatch them, do so by more humane means.

There is an expression, “build a barn, and rats will come.” While the adage was inspired by a general truth (build shelter and pests will use it), there are many things you can do to reduce how inviting the structure is.

No loose food, including no chicken feed on ground, no open containers of grain, pellets, etc. Even hay can provide food to rats in the form of seeds, so keep hay off the ground on pallets in an area where rats can’t tunnel to the hay.

If you are seeing a large population of rats it means you are providing them access to food that is steady and readily available free of predation. They won’t stay where there is limited food or predators. Get a barn cat or terrier, encourage predator presence (snakes, weasels, etc).

One thing about food sources and rats I haven’t seen mentioned yet: rats store caches. If you provided them access to food, for example a feedpan of chicken feed regularly, they will cache it. Which means that it will take anywhere from a few days to several weeks for the cache to run out depending on how often the rats had access to the food and how many there are. So if you aren’t seeing an immediate reduction in numbers after reducing food, consider they may still have stores somewhere.

Most of the people I see complaining about rat presence have chickens and leave chicken feed in tubs outside 24/7. This is why they have rats.

Chickens will go after adult rats provided they’re regular chickens and not meat birds – those birds truly are incapable of hunting.

Just vet you poisons carefully because if you[g] have a healthy population of rats, you will also have predator presence: fox, mink/weasels/stoat, owls, hawks, even coyotes and crows – all of which are at risk of ingesting a poisoned animal. Beyond that, there are also the decomposers to think about, who will be impacted by a poisoned animal.

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Gonna have to go this route and get my own boxes… I used RatX pellets last year sprinkled in my raised garden beds and they didn’t touch them (though I sprinkled with my bare hand, thanks for the tip there). I had employed a company that put boxes out in the garden and saw a noticeable dip, but can’t afford them anymore with a horse on stall rest, so just gonna do it myself. I worry about secondary poisoning but I’ll use this I guess.

They are tearing up my beds something fierce.

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On pallets = rats can travel under the hay by going under the pallets.

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This is where we have our biggest mouse problem. In the pallets. We put bait in the pallets to keep it under control.

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