Real Meredith Manor Reviews

The riding? What riding? I went to MM back in the 80’s - it was a hell hole then, not surprised that it still is. I was in the 3-month course for hunter/jumpers back then. All levels of riders were in the class with me, from rank beginner to those who were taking the course to ‘go pro.’ We had less than 1 hour of riding in a group lesson 4 x week. “Less than” because in that hour, we were expected to groom, tack up, walk our assigned horses down to the arena and stand while we waited for the instructor, who was always 15-20 minutes late. Then we mounted up, warmed up on our own, and maybe jumped a few jumps (with little guidance or instruction - it’s a wonder that someone didn’t get killed), and the class was over. Except for the walk back to the barn, cooling out and grooming, stashing tack and rushing to your next class. On the 5th day, MM held a ‘mock show’ - most of us were assigned duties like gate steward, etc. because we were only the lowly 3-month course people. I learned absolutely nothing that served me well - my real knowledge came from being a working student for a trainer after I got home. I wasn’t hired because of my MM certificate, believe me.

The horses all seemed ‘sad’ - tied in tie stalls, no turnout what so ever. Each horse became part of our ‘assignment’ - you were expected to oversee all the care of that horse: feeding, cleaning the stall, grooming.If you were a jerk and didn’t do your assigned work, the horse suffered. I felt so sorry for the horse I was assigned, that I purchased her. Nice little mare, but not cut out for that life. The majority of the horses at MM back then, and maybe still, were donated or sent there by their owners for the ‘training.’

MM is way out in the middle of no where (could be that it’s been built up more around the area), so if you are bound and determined to attend this ‘training facility’ have some transportation. I didn’t. Three months in the back hills of West Virginia was…interesting to say the least. You didn’t have to live on campus back then, but there wasn’t anything to rent nearby…there were a few people that actually lived in the area and drove home at night if I remember correctly.

I don’t know how old you are, but MM was filled with 17 yr olds. That’s fine. I wasn’t a 17 yr old, and had nothing in common, or very little, with the drama that they created on a daily basis. There are easier ways to get some really good horsey education and riding lessons. - and believe it or not, you had to go down to the supply office and put a request in for a roll of toilet paper, and then carry it with you. Almost forgot that one.

Really, what more do you need to hear? When I was there, two people - one from Alaska and one from CA- stayed only 2 weeks and turned around and left.

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I worked for a head groom who was an MM grad. She was great… but she went into the program as a very experienced kid who’d ridden & shown her whole life, and had spent years after graduation working full time for legit trainers by the time I met her. She wasn’t particularly happy with the MM program, from what she told me. She routinely described the horses there as miserable, mostly hyped up on corn & never let out, always dirty and usually infected - and this was from someone who’s worked with some incredibly difficult trainers & horses after graduation.

I definitely never saw her get on a baby without supervision from our trainer, if that’s what you’re looking for. She was a competent enough rider from riding difficult horses as a kid & could stick through anything, but it didn’t seem like she’d gotten much out of the MM program as far as really training systematically.

IME, just from working with some reformed delinquents… “training” a horse that’s physically or mentally miserable is almost always a losing game, and you’re not gonna learn much from doing it repeatedly. It’s like giving a little kid no breakfast except a bucket of Red Bull & then asking them to sit at a desk and learn math.

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I think this is exactly what you should do, and further I’d say that if Phoenix Farm says they have lesson horses that could accommodate you, I would make her one of the people you contact. Sonoma County is a lovely place to spend 12 weeks any time of year.

The challenge is finding places that have enough of a lesson horse string to accommodate you. Another place that you might contact is Foxfield Riding Club in southern California. They have camps for kids but they might be able to put something together for you as an adult. In general, any training center type place that does horse summer camps probably has a lesson string and the option to build something around you during the winter when school is in session.

The idea to do one of the international trips is an option as well. There are riding centers abroad that are set up for this that could fit you quite well.

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Ladyjg79-Good video but no fluffy white poodle deserves that! Not even an earthworm deserves that.

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Half lease a horse for 3 months and take lessons from a great instructor. Volunteer to do work at their barn and listen/learn from every experience. The 12 week at MM is $9,342. You’ll learn a hell of a lot more with the right trainer and not waste your money. Hours in the saddle does not equal good rider. Good training and utilizing the skills learned is what makes a good rider. It takes years… not weeks… to be at minimum competent. There is a reason so many of us are warning you about the program and you can find so many bad reviews. If you want to learn GOOD horsemanship run. I’m not sure if you want someone to give you a sugar coated fake review because you want to hear “oh it is a great program, good idea”… but you aren’t going to get it. It broke my heart when I heard about, and saw, how bad MM is as it was my dream to go there when I was a kid. Thank goodness for knowledgeable individuals for steering me away from that mess.

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You don’t state your riding level or experience at the moment.

If you have 12 week blocks of down time, I would research the jumper barns in your preferred area, and arrange to do a full lease of an appropriate horse for three months.

Ride every day and take several lessons a week. I don’t say take a lesson every day because riding on your own is important to internalize the instruction.

Then also arrange to shadow the trainer. Watch all the lessons you can. Hang around and watch the farrier and vet visits. Watch and help loading horses on trailers. Learn the feeding routine. You might not want to do everything this way on your place, but see how it’s done here.

Read up on horse nutrition, trimming and shoeing, and basic first aid. Learn how to poultice and wrap.

I suggest starting with jumper rsther than dressage because adult beginners often get into trouble riding on heavy contact in dressage before they have a secure seat. Also jumper barns typically have more leases available.

Ride every day, take a lesson 2 or 3 times a week, hangout and watch everything you can, and help out as much as possible.

It will cost less than a college course, you will learn more, and you will.hopefully make some ongoing friendships with the trainers.

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I was with you until the bolded part. That can’t be and it doesn’t make sense.

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My only experience with a MM student was the “assistant barn manager” at a very small boarding facility who forgot to water the horses during her morning shift. On a 90[SUP]o[/SUP]F + day.

I wouldn’t consider graduating from there to be an achievement worth putting on a resume.

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There is another thread on Meredith Manor:
https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/off-course/49914-meredith-manor-any-opinions-is-it-worth-the-money

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@Kidashi

My whole goal is to be able to safely show/work my own horses as ideally fix riding problems on my own.

This won’t be done in a few weeks or so. It takes years, no matter the program you go into.

Could a beginner go in and be an advanced rider provided they were determined and relatively intuitive?

Those programs are a waste of time for any serious and ambitious futur rider and trainer.
Maybe for managers or other equestrian related jobs, but not riding and training. And surely not if you are starting as a beginner.

What is the sudden hurry? Find yourself good trainers. Explore. Lease horses. Learn and have fun.

Also, training horses is not for everyone as it’s not always fun or safe. You really need to know what you are doing and enjoy solving problems on a daily basis.

Spend your money elsewhere than there.

I know of someone who went there… Really not impressed with her riding skills at all. and even less of her horsemanship.

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^^This. Better yet, why not be a working student for someone? It would be cheaper, and you’d get that immersion experience you are looking for.

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OP, in general most people in the equestrian fields learn through lessons, horse ownership or leases, and apprenticeship.

In general, a young rider who wants to have a career in horses is better off spending four years and some cash competing and getting a name in their discipline rather than attending any equine program.

As far as attending for one quarter hoping to move from beginner to advanced, rifing is a sport, and one of the more complex sports around because it involves both you and an animal.

Could you go from beginner to pro basketball player, from beginner to professional dancer, from beginner to pro tennis player, in 12 weeks of instruction? No, because there is so much muscle memory and specific skills and feel and timing involved.

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PeteyPie, it really is true. They feed straight corn.

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Forgot to mention in my first post that their founder holds “the world’s only doctorate degree in horse management”. In other words, the school made up a fake PhD title for him.

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Why do they do thst? Why does anyone go here?

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  1. It is cheaper and when you are more about money than horsemanship shortcuts will be taken without welfare of the horse in mind

  2. It is well advertised and many people do not read reviews and it is a lot of money so that probably factors in to why some don’t leave right away… also, not everyone is knowledgeable going in and they may think they are getting good information

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Wasn’t MM founded by Kay Meredith? She certainly was very active in its running back in the day. 40 years ago or more. At that time, they had some really respectable instructors and programs. But Kay is long gone. My understanding was she was an excellent horsewoman and a person to be reckoned with. Which does nothing to help the OP answer her question. Sorry, I digress.

I think the biggest issue here are the two sentences I picked out. It really isn’t whether or not Meredith Manor is any good or worth the money (and the knowledgeable people at COTH have already indicated that it isn’t) but rather your expectations.

Horseback riding is a not a sprint, it’s a marathon. You CANNOT become a competent trainer or advanced rider in 3 months. Even a professional athlete needs more time than that to develop muscle memory and skill set for a sport as complex as riding. Even a savant would need longer than that to learn, absorb and apply the literally millions of complex theories and opinions revolving around riding and horse care.

I also am concerned by your general lack of interest (seemingly) in horse care and stable management. If you want to have horses on your own land and be a competent trainer, it is imperative that you understand at least the basics of horse nutrition, exercise and management to keep your horses healthy and happy in work. Not to mention basic medical skills so you can administer medications, care for small injuries, and know when to call the vet for help. Horses are NOT just for riding, unless you intend to always board and never have any say in their daily care, which you do not plan to do. The fact that you seem to only care about the riding aspect concerns me. This industry needs more horse people, not more riders, in my opinion.

I have been riding for 21 years (yikes, that makes me feel old). During that time I have been a once-a-week up/down beginner, to a rider who part-leased a horse in the summer to get more saddle time, to a university student taking club lessons and begging for rides where I could, to finally getting my own horse. And wow, was the learning curve HUGE when I finally had a quality horse to ride and could seek out quality coaching (not that I didn’t get wonderful opportunities before my horse, but I never had a huge option in the coaches I rode with). Just the sheer amount of things I did not know about RIDING (never mind horses in general) was revealed to me when I got my own horse, and I had been riding for 13 years at that point, and taking lessons basically the entire time prior to getting my mare. I have worked in other people’s barns doing everything from mucking to breeding, foaling, handling young stock, handling performance horses, injury management, etc and I still learn new things EVERY SINGLE DAY. That is why I come on COTH, to learn from people who have knowledge that I do not have.

You cannot learn everything about horses and riding in a lifetime, let alone 3 months. And you learn by doing, over time, with a lot of sweat and effort. I know it isn’t the answer you want, but I firmly believe NO program, anywhere, is going to get you what you want in 12 weeks. This is a lifetime sport and hobby, and you are going to have to dedicate yourself to constant learning if you want to succeed.

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BOLD is mine:

@Kidashi I am going to resist the urge to shriek TROLL! and instead have picked from your Post the ideas that are, at best, self-defeating if you truly intend to do what you claim.

#1-intensive training is fine, but you are not going to profit from 12wks of (in your own words) “terrible training”
If a novice welder came to you & expected to be proficient in every phase of the job in 12wks and as a teacher you were, at best, a sloppy welder who skipped important steps - technical or safety-related - could that happen?

#2-Questioning how you feel 12 weeks of Terrible would be of any use?
Far better to spread lessons over your available time & progress steadily until you are confident & capable.
I have ridden for close to 50yrs, have cared for horses on my own farm for close to 15 & STILL take lessons & NEVER stop learning.

#3-If only that was all one needed to ride well, nevermind taking good care of your horses…
In a Word: NO

Find a trainer - or 2 - proficient in your chosen disciplines & take lessons at every opportunity.
Progress may be slower than your 12wk desire, but in the end you will be much better off & so will any horses you end up caring for.

& now I am wondering if it is too early for popcorn & guac… :confused::cool:

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Yes, founded by Ronald & Kay.