Reality Check Please!! Friend Asking Me to Board Her Horse & I Could Use the Money

I wouldn’t do it. It’s a very quick way to ruin a good working relationship.

If I were to do it, make sure she provides her own grain and you have strict stipulations on how much hay they get fed. Anything extra the border pays for or supplies themself.

My inlaws have two pasture boarders here, but failed to set any ground rules about feed amounts. They are constantly out of pocket for one of the horses because he’s a huge boy and needs extra feed. The boarder is the biggest whiner when he doesn’t look good enough in her eyes but won’t pay the extra for it because “our agreement was you provide hay and I do everything else” but won’t actually grain feed her horse except once or twice a week.

As others have noted you will need a written contract. But before you do that you need to get an estimate of your expenses and not a guess. Find out how much the insurance is for the year. Do you need to purchase a year at a time or can you pay monthly if she finds another situation.

Find out what grain and how much her horse is fed per day and calculate the monthly cost. How are you going to feed it and not have your air ferns eat its feed? Are you going to stand there in the morning while iher horse eats and again at night? Who buys the feed/ hay? Where will you store it? How do you feed her horse the hay it needs without the other horses eating it? How do you get your hay? If you ask her to provide her hay does she have a truck to go get it or will you spend your Saturday mornings driving to get hay and unloading it? What happens if she runs out? Will your feed store deliver her feed and hay if she orders it? that would make life easier for you.

Who holds the horse for the vet and farrier? Is she on board with your deworming and vaccination schedule? If the horse has a medical emergency will she be able and willing to be there or is that your responsibility?

Besides feed and insurance costs add in utilities, depreciation ( i.e. a fund to cover what her horse breaks and normal wear and tear on your barn, fences, etc.) and your labor. And then an aggravation fee and profit above what you are getting paid for your labor.

When you get a reasonable estimate go over all these things with her so there are no surprises. Let her know what you are offering and she can decide if she wants to accept your terms. She needs to know you are offering A,B,C and if she wants X,Y,Z then this is not a good fit for her.

I am not saying don’t do it but don’t sell yourself short and you do not need to subsidize her expensive hobby.

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One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is:
What if your easygoing horse Does.Not.Get.Along. with hers?
It happens.
And then you are managing 2, so double your usual workload.

Considering the very slim profit most have suggested you’d make, is it worth your time?
Even if you don’t work away from your farm, or if you don’t have another job, is the potential aggravation worth the small money?

Do you want anyone else, even this friend, coming into your place every single day to visit her horse? You might like it, but you might also start to find it draining. Think about it

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Do you already have the facilities for 2 horses? Bare minimum you need to have a separate stall and a separate paddock to make it work. Because horses don’t always get along, and even when they do, the sometimes can’t be out together due to injury or other reasons. And especially since it sounds like these horses are are on the opposite sides of the feed spectrum and may need to be separated at feeding time and potentially even more than that if your air fern can’t tolerate full time pasture or 24/7 access to hay, etc, depending in the season.

I’d simplify the feed cost factor by simply stipulating that boarder buys her own grain. That is very common and also very reasonable requirement. Unless it is a retirement situation or otherwise long-distance with a hands-off owner, then it isn’t too much to ask for them to buy their own grain and supply it for you to feed daily. Unlike hay, bagged feed is stocked year-round at farm stores and multiple bags easily fit into even a small car. No excuses. You can provide a trash can(s) or make her buy her own.

Hay is much harder to estimate. Building a flat rate boarding fee around current hay supply/costs and guestimated consumption rates is is recipe for disaster although that’s the most common scenario. The horse could very well eat you out of house and home and/or the owner could be a fire breathing hay dragon that makes your life miserable and expensive by insisting that horsey gets a constant hay orgie whether he needs it or not and no matter how much he wastes. Feed rates and bale size/weight and cost, etc. It all fluctuates so wildly. Not sure what to advise except a base board rate that you can live with plus a calculated hay cost? Carefully calculate and quantify hay consumption for BOTH horses. You could make her responsible for her specified percentage of hay costs/delivery.

Good luck!

What about her providing feed for hers + “x” ( whatever your time is worth.). That way, if she wants her horse to have more feed, she is paying for it.

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I have been the friend who needed a place to land. What I will say to you, is please be HONEST & UPFRONT about your expectations, rules, etc. My friend was not, and it ended poorly. That sucks for everyone involved.

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Written contract with everything included. Rules on terminating contract, how much written notice of move out, are guests allowed? What happens to the friendship if her horse is a PITA, and you ask her to move the horse? Payments, date for late payments, horse abandonment. Are you allowed by zoning to have a business, or do you need a business license?

I just skimmed the thread, apologies if any of this is redundant.

If you are not sure about this being a good long term plan, why not arrange for a short “test period” to see if you both like the arrangement? That way, you have a firm end date (2-3 months out?) that is agreed upon in advance before you even get started.

Do make sure you have all your bases covered insurance-wise. Remember that if someone gets hurt on your property, say your friend falls while riding their horse, their insurance company can come after you. That is true whether or not your friend agrees with them, by the way. That is not to say they would prevail, but having to defend a situation like that could be difficult and expensive.

Agree ahead of time on the specific care to be provided. Grain, hay, etc, Arrangements for vet, farrier, etc. What happens if the horse is destructive and damages fencing or other structures? What happens if you want to go away for a few days or become ill/injured and can’t provide the usual care?

I don’t know of anyone who makes money boarding, but depending on how you structure the situation, I suppose it is possible that you might get a few bucks for your labor. Whether that is sufficient to make it worth your while, only you can answer.

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There are lots of threads on COTH with this very question–I recommend doing a search and reading some of them, because they’re filled with good advice / good questions to ask. You’ll find that most of the advice skews towards “Don’t do it.”

I don’t think I’ve seen this mentioned upthread, apologies if I missed it: by taking in a boarder, your homeowners insurance policy will need to be replaced with commercial insurance which is a lot more expensive (i.e. it’s not enough to just get a CCC policy). Do not try to skimp on this-- get the insurance you need.

Since this horse is getting injured a lot, do you know the general story about why/how it’s happening? Is the horse a fence tester, or is a pasture bully that gets into frequent fights? Is it possible your friend is overreacting to the usual assortment of bumps and scrapes that pastured horses accumulate, and blaming them on the barn? Or is that other barn genuinely unsafe? I would just be sure that you’re getting the straight truth on this-- in my mind the frequent injuries may be a red flag.

When someone hates their boarding barn, there’s often two sides to that story. Boarders sometimes have unreasonable expectations, a flair for drama/conflict, etc. It’s really good that you do know her already, but the dynamics of a friendship can change unexpectedly when you take on new roles, and especially when money changes hands.

I would tell your friend that you may be interested to start a boarding operation int he future, but now’s not the right time because you need to carefully consider the costs and how to make it work well. It’s a good message: “I want to make sure I do this right, because your friendship is important to me.” She can board somewhere else for a year, or 6 mos or whatever. In the meantime, you should write a proper business plan, do all the math you need to do on costs for feed, hay, property maintenance, insurance costs. Make sure you value your time appropriately because the biggest red flag in this thread is that you’ve said you don’t want to just take on more work unless you’re making a profit. So make sure you know what your labor is worth to YOU. Not to anyone else. A standard boarding barn tends to use very inexpensive labor for the barn work. You are not inexpensive, AND you can’t spread your costs out over a bunch of horses. So this friend of yours has to bear the full burden of paying for your labor. She may not like that. Don’t budge on this point, since you’ve identified it as a priority.

In the end, the urgency you feel right now is not real. You have plenty of time and need to approach this in a more thoughtful way, rather than scrambling to react to this one friend’s predicament. Let’s say you take 6mos to work out a plan: even if your friend finds a more permanent situation and chooses not to come to your barn when you’re ready, there are many potential boarders out there.

Last point: you say you could use the money. I can almost guarantee that you could find a second job, something like part-time retail, or a call center or something like that, and earn more than what you’d clear from the boarding operation–with less work and less risk of friendship strain. So do that for 6 mos while you work on your business plan, and then you’ll have a great perspective and knowledge base to decide how to move forward.

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I’ve both boarded with friends and have had friends board with me. I’d say if your goal was to make a profit, then don’t do it. If your goal is to help a friend, well only you and her know if it’s likely going to work or end in disaster.

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This is especially the kind of smart advice I’m looking for. And the rest has been great too!

What irks me is that our instructor poo-pooed the need for CCC and commercial insurance. (A lot of folks do). They act like a I’m a worry wart for being concerned about the right insurances.

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Good for you for sticking to your guns. They won’t be the ones sitting there with a life-altering financial liability because your homeowners insurance got canceled. The incident/claim doesn’t even have to be directly related to the horses. If the insurer finds that you have represented business property as personal property, they can just cancel your whole policy. And they do look for that stuff, because there are so many people like your instructor who skirt the rules. Read the first page of your policy and you’ll find a statement along the lines of “we insure you on the basis your statements are true”. This means your entire policy can be considered void if they find you haven’t been truthful.

Now you get why I suggest just picking up some hours at a part-time job. Sooo much less complicated, no one’s at your house leaving the hose running by accident or breaking a fence board just when you’d gotten nice clothes on to go out to dinner, and you don’t have a chorus of people like your instructor telling you how to do that job*

*You can always come to COTH when you want a chorus of people telling you what to do. LOL

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Yeah, I think generally speaking a lot of people go through life without doing things the proper way. And nothing has yet to happen to them so when someone like you and I and the majority of the people on this thread come along and are concerned with such things as proper insurance, they say we are worry warts and are being silly. Lots of people would just invite their friend to come board at their house, charge enough to make a couple hundred bucks a month after expenses and go about their merry way. Most times a situation like that is going to work out fine, they never got extra insurance and never needed it, that’s all well and good till the day it isn’t fine and they end up losing their house or worse.

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This ^^. Let her provide all of her own feed and bedding if they have a run in shed. Are the horses to be kept together? If yes, is there a way to separate them while feeding?
Agree with all the advise about liability insurance, home owners insurance etc. If owner provides all feed, that keeps your costs down, however, I don’t think you are going to be making a whole lot of money off this venture. Field board is usually pretty low, check around your area to see if there are places offering field board so you can get an idea of what to charge.

I boarded my best friend’s horse on field board. She provided grain and we split hay costs for round bales. I have (had) a flexible job, horse was a breeze, as are mine. I already had an LLC, though I didn’t “make” any money- I put out very minimal expenses. I did not do it for the money- I did it to help her out. I wouldn’t hesitate to do it for her again, but she is my best friend. I would not do it for just a friendly acquaintance as the pitfalls people mentioned. I now live in a different state (we talk every day- not text- talk) and she says I spoiled her for all her other barn :slight_smile: ha…

So it can work but I suggest to sit down with her and go over everything. Will she be able to help you out on vacation? Will she split the farm sitter cost? etc. My friend would farm sit when I had to go away (or when I went in to the hospital.

I was very firm - “This is how I roll. It is my farm and I have only retired boarders so XYZ”.

Good luck. There are a ton of pitfalls but it can work out.

The worst thing is the loss of privacy. People tend to turn up at any hour and demand your attention.

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If you go the “she provides all feed” route, be sure to discuss the consequences if she fails to ensure adequate supply. Lots of stories here where the HO doesn’t re-supply in time and the BO ends up dipping into her own supply just so the horse has hay in front of him. (This also places an added burden on space, since you’d need to keep the supplies separate.)

If I were the BO, I’d want to control the hay supply to be sure it’s there when needed. You could have the HO pay her share of each hay delivery upfront, rather than roll the hay cost with the monthly board. This would reduce your cash outlay.

My first thoughts in reading this thread: What was said about commercial boarding insurance is absolutely correct. Homeowners insurance will not cover damages/injuries caused by a horse that is boarded by an individual who is not considered part of your household. Second, regarding the advice to form an LLC – to actually maintain an LLC that the courts will respect, it can’t just be “in name only” – you have to have officers, regular meetings, etc. Otherwise, it is simple to “pierce the veil” and come after you as the homeowner. (Just my two cents.) If you are hesitant about doing this for your friend, these reasons can give you an easy way to decline the situation. Most won’t try to persuade you to do it anyway when you explain the liability you are taking on.