Recommendations for Mongolian tours?

OP other people have tried to politely help you. Your dietary restrictions would severely hamstring any trek company, and your expectations are unrealistic considering you chose a place whose culture almost revolves around dairy. I would brush up on understanding what life is like in Mongolia. Those in the steppes do not have access to the things you would need to decontaminate from dairy; they do not have extra pans or extra fuel or extra time. Your responses indicate to me you really have no concept of what life is like outside of the developed world.

I get it. I really do. It has been my dream to visit several parts of Africa since I got my first National Geographic subscription and read about the Cradle of Humankind as a kid. I’d like to do a multi-week tour in Africa. I would like to visit the Rift Valley and trek Tanzania and Kilimanjaro. But I don’t do it. I have a medical device that has a charge that only lasts 12 hours. I need electricity. It might be something I want to do, but it is unrealistic with my lot in life.

There are so many other parts of the world we can visit that don’t put us in a place of hardship.

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The big deal in the Mongolia treks is being immersed in a traditional tribal culture that is relatively unchanged even today. One of the key differences between traditional tribal cultures and modern capitalist culture is they just have much less stuff and no access to stuff even if there is cash to pay for it. If they are nomadic, they don’t even want a lot of stuff because it will be more to tote around.

If you want a trek where it’s easier to communicate and adapt to dietary restrictions there are some wonderful sounding treks in England and Ireland, as well as guided packing tours in the North American West, the Rocky Mountains and the Chilcotin in Canada.

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So…yeah, that’s literally the reason why I posted here. Because you’ve here articulated my reality haha

What advice has actually been posted?

What do you mean? I’ve looked at trekking companies and some advertise their ability to make meal concessions. I somehow set off an entire population that think backpacking without dairy is unfathomable? Like I’m a normal person capable of having conversations with other people. I love big trips out in the wilderness. But if I’m objectively looking at meal plans and trip itineraries I’m curious if certain ones do it better? Like they put aside part of the pan for people like me?

One of the comments here suggests I would need EXTRA PACK ANIMALS to eat less dairy.

How :joy:

Well, first not that many people with horses do the Mongolia treks, because we have our own horses and are more likely to take them camping or back country riding. So we are extrapolating from what we know about third world travel and horse camping generally. Except the one person on here that actually wrote a book about Mongolian trekking.

But a specific question like “is there a company that will put part of a pan aside for me?” is not something anyone here is likely to have exhaustive knowledge about. You’re going to need to contact different trekking outfits and ask. A lot would depend on whether the trek staff do all the cooking, or if they are stopping at local communities and contracting meals with them.

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Well, yeah. I perpetually give horse people the benefit of the doubt. Even though they’re some of the most sheltered people I’ve met on earth.

I posted because I know how to ride and wanted a rider stance. I should not have engaged in the weird stuff. Like did we just meet the women that send their kids to school with peanuts to “make a point”?

If I rough it for a week I have to plan my meals, that’s what I’m doing here lol. I’m not expecting people to accommodate me. I can cook for myself. But if I’m paying for a structured tour that includes meals, I’m interested in learning when I can show up for the general slop.

If any of us went on a trip, we’d still only know one outfit. I think for most people the Mongolian trek would be a one time thing so it’s not like asking, say, can any Florida snowbirds tell me the best small town with both beaches and horses.

Re: horse people being sheltered. I suppose it depends on the level of horse person you know. I suppose it could be true of a certain kind of ammie in full board.

It’s not my experience of COTH posters however who tend towards very hands-on horse care. And often turn out to have interesting and accomplished professional lives and education.

I do follow someone on FB who apparently went on the race? Or maybe just a trek? twice, at least. I’m not sure whether they were currently a horse owner when they did this.

Anyhow, from looking at how the hands on riders around me parcel out time and cash, I feel like we’re less likely to do a hugely expensive trek on the other side of the world on strange horses, and more likely to try to vacation with our horses closer to home. Why I have a truck and trailer.

So I feel like the overlap between “serious rider, hands on horse owner” and “does expensive all inclusive horse trek experiences” is less than one might initially expect. I mean I’m not even sure I want to ride a semi feral pony in unfamiliar tack on a forced march :slight_smile: nearly as much as I want to camp with my own brave quirky mare.

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No, unfortunately I’m extremely allergic to lactose. I’m in my 30s, at this point I know what doesn’t work haha. I did the “dairy without lactose” dance for a couple years but the men in my family keep dying from colorectal cancer so that…seems wrong haha.

I’m kind of bummed that this has become some weird diet thing. I just want to repost and ask for general advice.

So: chron of horse users. NOT frequenters of Mongolian tours but have very strong opinions on the idea of one, haha.

well yeah that was the point of my info gathering post.

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Well and if we didn’t have diet restrictions we’d never think to ask how those were theoretically handled, either.

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May I recount a very long story about remote living and unrealistic expectations?

I was working in the centre of Borneo, the actual centre of the island, seven days travel by boat from the coast, bringing in all my own food because the local people fished, hunted what little meat they ate and lived mainly on rice and cassava leaf. After many months of daily cassava leaf and rice, one lusts after some Western variety.

One day a stream of villagers came up the hill to my doorway to present Two Western Tourists who had arrived in the settlement by boat. My neighbours instantly gave me the responsibility for looking after them. They were French-speaking Belgiums, one spoke English, neither spoke Bahasa Indonesia and, that far up the river, most of the locals didn’t speak Bahasa Indonesia either. Communication was interesting. The Tourists told me that they had purchased a map, produced in Germany, that indicated a very short distance over the watershed between two major rivers that flow through Borneo. The rainfall where I was working was four metres a year: the river went up and down like filling or draining a bathtub. The Tourists wished to walk over the watershed. I looked at their equipment: flip flops and day bags, no food, nothing. “Unfortunately, your map is not accurate” I told them. “But it is German!” they protested. I then pointed out that there were six villages further upstream that were missing on the map. And massive rapids between the villages. And that it took several days to walk that watershed between rivers, through primary rainforest covering mountains with slopes so steep the locals cut down trees and cut notches for toe holds to get up and down them. “We want to get off the tourist trail” I was told.

I said I would arrange a meeting with the Village Head for the next morning so further travel could be discussed. OK, they said, and asked where was the hotel for them to sleep that night and where was a good restaurant for their meal? I stared with blank amazement at two Tourists who had traveled up a river through rainforest for days and simply had not noticed that the most basic travellers’ facilities had vanished at least three days before. They were pleased to be “off the beaten track”. The lovely people of Indonesia are very generous in taking care of Western fools. “I’m your hotel tonight and I will be cooking for you”. Years later I still faintly resent using one of my precious tins of tomato puree in their meal: should have given them rice and cassava leaf. Over our meal they asked why a road hadn’t been built over the watershed as it would help tourism. My eyes rolled and whirled and went red: I was in Kalimantan researching human ecology and forest conservation. The only roads were logging tracks to extract timber.

Next day there was a big group discussion with the Village Head, several experienced men, me and the Tourists. Local tribal languages translated into Bahasa Indonesia into English into French and back again. The villagers reckoned three days upstream to a point where it was possible to walk over the watershed, two days walking for locals alone but they thought five with the Tourists, then a day to construct a log raft and then three days floating down to reach the first village on the second river where the Tourists would have a chance of picking up a motor boat to go on down towards the coast. For this, the village guides requested $200. There was intense discussion in French before I was told in English that the cost was “Too high”, which I translated into Bahasa Indonesia to then turn into the local tribal languages. After further discussion in French, the tourists asked me to arrange a boat up to the logging camp. I had told them that local roads were logging tracks so they thought they would try to hire a vehicle to drive.

I never heard a word about the Tourists ever again, nor did the Village Head which was odd as rumours flew through that forest faster than radio links could keep up. I hope they were transported out of the region by the logging guys. Maybe not.

Some people are tourists, handed a pre-packaged “experience” on a plate. Some people are travellers and have experience themselves. Travellers are happy to pass on experience and information but tourists are often too wedded to their preconceptions and opinions to hear the advice offered.

@stirrups1 Have a look at these two UK horse travel companies. They will have a far lower markup than US ones and they have personal knowledge of the packages because staff go on them. I have used them multiple times.

www.unicorntrails.com

www.rideworldwide.com

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I have been looking into doing the mongol derby and my impression is that the food consists mainly of sheep noodle soup so you are probably fine if you drink only water…

And my personal recommendation would be to look into the prep course for the mongol derby. I think it’s called Mongol derby academy…. They have a lot of experience .
https://equestrianists.com/guides/mongol-derby-academy/

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Having been on a 10 day ride through the desert in India with a person with severe food allergies in the group, I can tell you they were accommodated: we ALL had to eat their diet because there was NO room for extra dishes, pots, pans etc

We spent the whole trip wishing we could enjoy the local food, which was based on this one type of thing the allergic person couldn’t eat. If I’m booking another trip like that I’m likely to try and find out if there’s a person with allergies signed up because experiencing the local food is important to me.

So there’s another angle OP.

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It’s actually more common to get sick than not to get sick eating in Mongolia (for Westerners) regardless of dietary allergies and intolerances. The food is just very different from what most people eat here–very high in fat, especially in the winter, because of the energy needs of the population. Regarding bringing your own food–I don’t know how feasible it would be for every meal, but because the Derby riders are riding to complete, not to tour, lots of them do bring food, but similar to how hikers pack–protein bars, nut butters, sachets of soup.

But most of them eat at least some meals with Mongol families along the way. Riding on the steppe, your energy needs are very high, especially during the winter or at altitude. Mare’s milk is part of the ceremonial beverage consumed by the winner, although it’s drank by all families regularly, and was even promoted by the government as a way of combatting alcoholism. It’s mildly fermented and has a little kick, but nothing like the vodka that became popular (and over-consumed) when the Soviets were in control.

The weight restriction for the horses for the Derby is 85kg (around 180-190lbs), fully clothed, plus an extra allowed 5kg for luggage. Touring companies, which are not riding at speed, usually have higher allowed weights, of course.

Practical Horseman did do a feature on a vegetarian competitor:
I’ve come to the realization that to make it through the Mongol Derby, I will need to eat the local food for energy and recovery, and if that means animal fat, so be it. It’ll allow me to fully experience the Mongolian culture. While I’ll do my best to supplement with nut butters and protein powder, I’m just happy that I’ll have room in my pack for my instant cup of joe.

Mostly posting this for the others in the thread, since I am sure the OP will have something unkind to say about me again, but I love talking about the Derby!

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Thanks for your insight. I truly apologize for my behavior here. I can’t stop laughing. My friends and I got loaded at an ill advised Sunday night Halloween party. We’re way too old for this behavior, for context.

I think this sums it up:

me: it’s really important that the internet people know that even though you’re lactose intolerant you don’t need extra pack animals!
my friend: who cares
me: true. (Proceeds to buy a Groupon for a pottery class?)

I also sent a 100% friendly and coherent fee proposal and when my friend told me to never work and drink I informed her that it’s okay to email people when you’re drunk if you’re really nice and really just want the best for everyone. I’m not really sure where the ass blasting rhetoric falls into this philosophy.

Rude. The same way anyone in the journalism field or academia writes about anything: research, as stated.

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Similar to writing about the Jurassic Era and dinosaurs.
Gather your best information on the subject, so others can read about it. :slightly_smiling_face:

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And one educated poster who you immediately blew off.

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Thank you everyone! Obviously, I would love to have done the Derby to write about it, but I truthfully don’t have the skills to pilot multiple semi-feral Mongolian horses over hundreds of miles of terrain (although many people have done it, including people in their 70s)! But I’m just a writer who rides (versus a rider who writes).

There are a few books out there, for those interested, including a memoir called Rough Magic by Lara Prior-Palmer, a past winner, and an eBook called The Mongol Derby by Jessica Kwong, another competitor. Palmer’s book is more “polished” and traditionally-published, although Kwong has less about herself in the narrative, and is more nitty-gritty into the details about the race. (I remember Kwong says she has a famously strong stomach, and everyone marveled about how she was one of the few people who never got sick from all the native cuisine.)

The Adventurists is the company that sponsored the Derby, and reaching out to them directly for suggestions about companies would probably be the best bet for anyone looking into a more “casual” ride, although I don’t think traveling to any nomadic developing world culture is every “casual.”

FWIW, according to Kwong and a number of people who wrote online accounts of doing the Derby, there is often quite a bit of heavy drinking going on over the course of the race, so at least that’s something you don’t need to worry about building up a tolerance for!

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@Impractical_Horsewoman, Crawling Between Heaven and Earth is probably my favorite Fortune’s Fool book.

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