Ah, sorry if I misread - my mistake! 
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I agree - there is zero, none, zilch, point in cloning a stallion who had a zillion kids. No point.[/QUOTE]
I can think of 1! If he doesnāt freeze and you want to ensure his genetics are available in the futureā¦itās possible.
(not saying I would or wouldnāt)
If there are enough kids (I donāt know what that number is), then it doesnāt matter if thereās no frozen I donāt think the genetics should be cloned when there are enough offspring already around.
If the horse was that good to even contemplate cloning, then he undoubtedly has dtrs and/or sons who are also breeding, carrying on the line.
Iām not at all opposed to cloning a very nice horse who, for various (or obvious) reasons, have no or very few offspring, before dying/being gelded
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I can think of 1! If he doesnāt freeze and you want to ensure his genetics are available in the futureā¦itās possible.[/QUOTE]
IIRC from my equine repro course several years back, most problems with stallions that ādonāt freezeā is because of premature capacitation of the spermatozoa. Seems to me that would be genetic, so the clone would have the same problem - yes?
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IIRC from my equine repro course several years back, most problems with stallions that ādonāt freezeā is because of premature capacitation of the spermatozoa. Seems to me that would be genetic, so the clone would have the same problem - yes?[/QUOTE]
I would imagine so - but for instance/hypothetically/just throwing it out there -
If Celle cloned Hochadel (as an example) and allowed the clone to stand here in North America via fresh semen, would it not be a nice option to be able to breed to HClone rather than having to wait for a son or daughter to be available?
It would of course cut into their market for export & sales but it would allow NA breeders access to the genetics directly, sooner, etc.
just sayinā
Or if there was a super-uber successful riding stallion that people want to breed to yesterday, and the trainer/rider/owner donāt want to take him out of competition, a relatively simple skin punch that will heal in a matter of weeks would allow for āhimā to breed full time without ever leaving full training.
Itās definitely something to consider for top level stallions/mares/geldings IMHO.
ETA: What if Rohdiamant was cloned now - heās nearing the end of his breeding career, has had a horrific injury, was/is a super producer of stallions, riding horses, broodmares - wouldnāt it be great to have RClone here in the US as an option to breed to?
[QUOTE=JB;5602933]
If there are enough kids (I donāt know what that number is), then it doesnāt matter if thereās no frozen I donāt think the genetics should be cloned when there are enough offspring already around.
If the horse was that good to even contemplate cloning, then he undoubtedly has dtrs and/or sons who are also breeding, carrying on the line.
Iām not at all opposed to cloning a very nice horse who, for various (or obvious) reasons, have no or very few offspring, before dying/being gelded[/QUOTE]
I donāt know - there are plenty of successful stallions that didnāt/donāt enter the breeding shed full time until late into their careers or young stallions that die early or are castrated due to injury, illnessā¦Blu Hors Cavan for example comes to mind. He lost one testicle due to an inguinal hernia and then the other a few months later. Lovely GP stallion, good sire. Furst Heinrich is another - he died at what 7? 8?
Thank you friend. good work
Maybe I misread this, but the way I read it, you make it sound like clones are born fully formedā¦they have to grow up and become available just like the naturally formed sonās or daughters.
Oops - I should have phrased it more carefully! Sorry! The clone would still need to be born, grow, develop and become sexually mature but in the hypothetical sense thatās a relatively short amount of time - just 2-3 years rather than 3-4 years for the first foal crop to go to the preselections, licensing, performance testing and then to hope you picked a āgoodā son or daughter to add to your breeding herd.
Sorry for the mix up & for being unclear.
If you are cloning a proven performance stallion who is also a good sireā¦IDK - it seems like it could be a win-win for breeders outside of the home country.
But thatās exactly what Iām saying LOL
Those horses wouldnāt have many, or any, kids on the ground, and I think are valid candidates for cloning.
1500 kids on the ground? No thanks, letās move on
