Rein-back in Grand Prix

i do not understand why i am so important to you.

You’re not. Your arrogance is annoying, and I’m calling you out on it.

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why?

So that maybe you’ll learn faster how much you don’t know. And so that maybe you’ll learn that showing some respect to the difficulties of riding at a higher level will lend others to want to teach you instead of laughing in your face.

I was you once. And then I realized how little I know. I’m saying this as someone who rode exclusively dressage for several years, on countless horses - even riding a GP schoolmaster for some time. I still know nothing, and am trying to learn. I’m not going to say “OH ITS SO EASY, THEY JUST NEED TO PRACTICE MORE” when a top level rider and horse struggle with it - I am open to learning why it’s so hard.

Your dismissive attitude when you know almost literally nothing is insulting to the horses and riders who are at that level. Show some humility.

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Steering away from the personal commentary direction this thread is going…

This was not directed at me, but I’d hazard a guess that even international level competitors experience the show ring effect sometimes. Perhaps their reinback isn’t a 10 at home but it’s probably at least a 6 or 7; however, add lights, cameras, grandstands, electric atmosphere, and a jazzed up horse and it can quickly become a 4 or 5. I guarantee those horses have straight, clean changes at home too, but that’s another movement you’ll see quickly go to hell in a handbasket if the horse is tense and a little explosive.

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i am who i am and one of those things is i am not a doormat. I do understand that no one here is really interested in seeing people snipe at eachother.
and for what it’s worth, I have zero wish to take anything into the personal realm.

Practice makes perfect. If a reinback is a known deficient movement, than doesn’t it stand to reason that practice would make it better? And doesn’t it stand to reason that most people (of any stratosphere) could understand this simple concept?

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I’m going to quote myself as my final reply to this foolishness. Note that I’m telling you to keep learning. That’s the only way you’ll ever know how much you DONT know. The ladder is literally never ending. Enjoy the journey, and don’t be jerk.

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ditto

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Already back to behaving like an arrogant jerk. I’m done.

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again, what you think about me is immaterial to anyone. Nobody cares.

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And horses know venues, if they’ve traveled enough. The atmosphere of a big event is palpable, and horses get that feeling as much or more than we do. It takes a special sauce to overcome those feelings

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Perhaps we should take a few minutes to watch some riding rather than waste our time with rail birds.

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(y’all just can’t stop yourselves can you?) nice vid, thanks.

Right, and rider tension can have a big influence on some horses. I don’t think anyone here is immune to the show ring effect - surely anyone who has shown has experienced at least a moment or two where the thing you schooled great at home was not so good in the show ring or other tense atmosphere.

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Whoa, hold the phone there, sister. I care plenty about what @endlessclimb thinks. We sometimes disagree, but I know she is knowledgeable and I would be a fool to dismiss what she has to say in the cavalier manner you have.

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Great point.

And no one but you can stop you from embarrassing yourself with your ignorance-based conjecture and supposition about a solution to a problem in high level dressage training and exhibition. I suppose we all suffer our own burdens in our own peculiar ways.

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I don’t understand why you’re getting attacked lol It’s not like you said you were perfect but that’s what you strive for! There is nothing wrong with striving for perfection. I don’t think any rider is ignorant enough to believe there is a true “perfect” in the ring.

This thread is about GP riders…so all of us who aren’t GP riders shouldn’t be offended by not having good enough movements in anything. Everyone is learning, no one is saying they are better than anyone. It’s a discussion, and discussing things people have noticed and seen in the ring. It is a fact, that the rein back is a neglected movement in UL dressage and UL eventing. Landrover is on in a few days, I encourage everyone to watch the dressage and see for yourself.

Not sure how this thread turned into attacking other posters. Not really any need for it.

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Sure…is it a competition now who has a better coach? Let’s hear about yours first. LOL this is truly is Silly

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The way i am learning is toward a perfect halt, three good walks, laterals and reinback. All at a walk. It is a process. And a reinback is a foundational movement in my lessons. A cornerstone as-it-were.
And I understand that it is not how some people train.

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