Reining Breeds

[DandyMatiz]

[QUOTE=Go Fish;5124156]
I was at the NRHA futurity a few years back and there were a few 1/2 Arabians there. I struck up a conversation with a trainer at some function and he told me that reining is getting quite popular at the Arabian shows. He said that the breeders are taking full Arabian mares and breeding them to QH reining sires.

Just thought it was interesting…:)[/QUOTE]

Yup. Some are having luck with the Arabian stalliosn crossed on QH mares (Lucky Destiny, dam of the NRHA champion stallion Hollywood White, who has sired many nice HA foals… also has 2 lovely fillies that are in reining training by the Arabian stallion Kordelas. Kordelas was shown in reining).

[JWB]

Never paid much attention to reining horse prices before (since it’s not my sport) but looking through, I saw Smart Chic Olena listed in LOTS of the pedigrees - and even I (non-reiner that I am) know who he is - so I looked him up.

His stud fee is $12,500!!! That’s outrageous! I’m glad warmblood breeders have not taken a page from that book. The current “hot” warmblood stallion with the ridiculous stud fee is $5,000. Of course there is no single horse that shows up over and over again as a sire in the dressage horses…

[bugsynskeeter]

His stud fee is down. It was $25,000 for several years. Wimpys Little Step is $7500. Shining Spark was $25000 to 10 select outside breedings.

[Grataan]

[QUOTE=JWB;5124345]
Never paid much attention to reining horse prices before (since it’s not my sport) but looking through, I saw Smart Chic Olena listed in LOTS of the pedigrees - and even I (non-reiner that I am) know who he is - so I looked him up.

His stud fee is $12,500!!! That’s outrageous! I’m glad warmblood breeders have not taken a page from that book. The current “hot” warmblood stallion with the ridiculous stud fee is $5,000. Of course there is no single horse that shows up over and over again as a sire in the dressage horses…[/QUOTE]
Lol…$12k is NOT outrageous, it’s quite economical for a mid-range AQHA/APHA stallion.

[DandyMatiz]

[QUOTE=bugsynskeeter;5125236]
His stud fee is down. It was $25,000 for several years. Wimpys Little Step is $7500. Shining Spark was $25000 to 10 select outside breedings.[/QUOTE]

Hollywood Dun It’s was 10k for frozen w/ no guarantees i heard… a friend inquired about him once, but she decided to go with a son.

[Go_Fish]

[QUOTE=Grataan;5125610]
Lol…$12k is NOT outrageous, it’s quite economical for a mid-range AQHA/APHA stallion.[/QUOTE]

Quite true. I remember paying around $10K for Grays Starlight back in the 80s. Any World Champion, NRHA or NCHA champion, futurity champion, etc. is going to cost you low 5 figures, at least.

WB stallions hav always been a bargain in my book. $5K? Cheap, cheap, cheap.

[DandyMatiz]

Yes they are. But… they can’t rein, so is it a bargain really? lol

Peptoboonsmal was 15k last i heard.

I want to breed to Hollywood White. he’s incredible. Or Dun It With A Twist.

[jumpytoo]

so basically a good competitive reiner sells for similar prices as good competitive jumping or dressage horses. Stud fees… that’s a different story

[HFSH]

any Morgan reiners out there?

[netg]

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we start seeing small warmbloods or sport ponies getting crossed with quarter horses in Europe. If we do, I think that may serve to improve the quality of reining horses as long as they’re well chosen to improve the weaknesses of the quarter horses to whom they’re bred, just like bringing in new blood has helped warmbloods improve.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if some athletic, larger quarter horses start getting mixed in with the warmbloods in Europe to help some lines which are weaker when it comes to ability to collect.

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=kookicat;5121094]
I’m surprised that there’s not more Iberian horses at the higher levels. A good one, from bullfighting lines should have the ability, right?[/QUOTE]

only to a point,they have all the handle and rate and “want to” but they are not built to slide

Tamara in TN

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=JWB;5124345]
Never paid much attention to reining horse prices before (since it’s not my sport) but looking through, I saw Smart Chic Olena listed in LOTS of the pedigrees - and even I (non-reiner that I am) know who he is - so I looked him up.

His stud fee is $12,500!!! That’s outrageous! I’m glad warmblood breeders have not taken a page from that book. The current “hot” warmblood stallion with the ridiculous stud fee is $5,000. Of course there is no single horse that shows up over and over again as a sire in the dressage horses…[/QUOTE]

well reiners are bred to rein and make money (in about 4 years time),warmbloods make zero money from dressage even 15 years later…where no chance to make cash exists, the stud fees will always be low…

I think shining spark is 25K and his book gets closed pretty quick each year

Tamara in TN

[Go_Fish]

@netg;5129677

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we start seeing small warmbloods or sport ponies getting crossed with quarter horses in Europe. If we do, I think that may serve to improve the quality of reining horses as long as they’re well chosen to improve the weaknesses of the quarter horses to whom they’re bred, just like bringing in new blood has helped warmbloods improve.

Uhmmm…I don’t think so. Compare hind end and hind leg conformation.

I can’t think of a single aspect of WB or pony conformation that would “improve the quality of reining horses.”

[netg]

[QUOTE=Go Fish;5129854]
Uhmmm…I don’t think so. Compare hind end and hind leg conformation.

I can’t think of a single aspect of WB or pony conformation that would “improve the quality of reining horses.”[/QUOTE]

Athleticism, reach, and quality of movements besides the slides. Overall dynamic energy and explosiveness.

Some WB have good hind ends or less tendency to pass along hind end conformation while upping athleticism in offspring. This is one of the benefits of careful study of breeding and results with crosses. I’m a QH lover, but don’t think there’s a perfect horse out there - QH or WB.

[mistyjewell]

I actually briefly dated a guy from Germany that was into horses. I always found it funny that here in the US he was working on a big name WB breeding/training farm, but over in Germany he rode and trained QHs. Cracked me up actually, that he worked with US breds over in Germany, and German breeds over in the US. But he told me they were really starting to get big over there, and the Germans were breeding them with the same mentalility as they bred the WBs, so to speak. They were being very careful and trying to get rid of tendancicy of navicular etc from the breed. Will be interesting to see how that develops over the next several generations.

[Foxtrot_s]

#300 - Brazilian reiner W. Teixeira on SJ Rodopie - the big grey was not a QH - but I failed to recognize the breed … anybody?

[netg]

[QUOTE=mistyjewell;5129960]
They were being very careful and trying to get rid of tendancicy of navicular etc from the breed. Will be interesting to see how that develops over the next several generations.[/QUOTE]

That would be another great reason to infuse non-QH blood.

But I think having selective, intelligent, researched breeding is a big key regardless. We have some absolutely amazing quarter horses here. I grew up with them, and despite my TB changing my mind about my favorite breed because he’s my favorite horse ever, I still love them and wouldn’t hesitate to buy another for my next horse.

Someone taking the breed and being careful to continue to go for the best of the breed traits while working on removing the soundness and other conformational faults which Americans have bred in - in my mind, only good can come of that!

[DandyMatiz]

There are enough different quarter horses, i don’t see a need to add warmblood to them. They do have TB added frequently. (Most reiners have quite a bit… Doc Bar, Hollywood Dun It, Pepto, all have TB blood). If they were to reopen the books again to another breed, it would probably be to Arabians again. There is talk and some trying to do that, because they want to improve the legs. (by inspection as it was before ofcourse). But most don’t think it’s needed at this time, as there is a lot of Arabian blood there if you know where to look.

[netg]

[QUOTE=DandyMatiz;5130069]
There are enough different quarter horses, i don’t see a need to add warmblood to them. They do have TB added frequently. (Most reiners have quite a bit… Doc Bar, Hollywood Dun It, Pepto, all have TB blood). If they were to reopen the books again to another breed, it would probably be to Arabians again. There is talk and some trying to do that, because they want to improve the legs. (by inspection as it was before ofcourse). But most don’t think it’s needed at this time, as there is a lot of Arabian blood there if you know where to look.[/QUOTE]

I know plenty about QH breeding and bloodlines. I’m talking about what I could see the Europeans doing. They get breeding for the best horse possible and having a registry instead of trying to keep a pure “breed.” I think using that wisdom we could see some great non-QH reiners in the future.

[mistyjewell]

I don’t know for sure, but I’m sure if they want to keep them registered as QHs over there, they’ll stick to the breed quidelines… but they also have some decent and new TB blood over in europe, it’s just a different mentality over there when it comes to breeding. (not saying that no one over here is capable of that, just that I think there is more concentrated effort over there)