Reputable PRE dealers?

[2tempe]

[QUOTE=gsdlover;8600729]
I’m also on the east coast, I own a PRE gelding and a Lusitano mare, and love them both dearly. They are exceptionally smart and love their people. Both would rather work and be with their human than eat their grain, yes very dog like. The mare is protective and think she owns me, and both are jealous. They have nice movement and are very easy on the body.
Sarah Gately-Wilson at Old Stonehouse Farm is in PA, and has been in the iberian business for many years. She does the breed shows, Dressage at Devon, and is very knowledgable, down to earth, and honest. She is an excellent contact to make on this side of the country. Good luck, and let us know what you end up with!
http://www.oldstonehousefarm.com/horsesforsale.html[/QUOTE]

Agree with you - they are SMART, amazing work ethic, and the relationship is truly there. Yes, a different ride, but IF at my advanced age, I should want another after my Lusi retires, I will get another. My current guy is a stallion, which I SWORE I would never own, but I had the luxury of a 1/2 lease for a year before I bought him. He is an amazing guy.

[2tempe]

OP - Will your friend let you try her horse? If you have not ridden a PRE or Lusitano, do your best to get a couple of trial rides. You will know if the type is right for you. Gall0p above has some good points re the build differences and I would agree that you should contact a couple people re the shopping process.

[lorilu]

Opulencia Equestrian here in Ocala. She imports some very nice horses. She is also on facebook (Rebecca Larkin) http://www.opulenciadressage.com/

My trainer currently has two young Iberians in for starting, a PRE and a Luso. One is 4, the other 5, neither started, but they are REALLY nice. One in particular will be a great Ammy horse - very sane. She does not have a website but is on facebook - Tanya Hermann Eyles Dressage https://www.facebook.com/tdressage?fref=ts She recently posted some pics of them - a black and a bay, from Music City Andalusians here in Marion County (maybe in Morriston??).

[lorilu]

I just want to say that sensitive does not equal spooky, and there are many Iberians with very competitive gaits these days. You all know I have major anxiety issues resulting from an injury YEARS ago. I will say that a “Hot” - but very safe - Andi gave me MUCH confidence and brought me from a TL rider to Second Level (and regional qualified) in two years (He was also about TL when I bought him). I now own a safe and sane Luso who is teaching me third and above (and carried me to the scores for my Bronze). He is about 15.3, confirmed PSG (mid 60’s) and schooling higher with my trainer. He was originally imported from Brazil by Sons of the Wind.
In my experience, once someone rides an Iberian, they are hooked - IF they have an open mind.

[ewells]

[QUOTE=mvp;8599786]
Sending you and the OP a PM.

The short and cleaned-up version for buyers: Ask about soft-tissue problems/injuries in your horse’s relatives. My very amateur/armchair sense of this is that the North American gene pool might be a tad small and/or founded by a relatively inbred set of horses.

If anyone finds this post too incendiary, let me know and I’ll take it down.[/QUOTE]

I can only speak to the specific breeder mentioned in quotes here “Jackass MT Ranch” in that I do not think this breeders gene pool is limited or particularly inbred. I have personally looked at and researched the program and bought my own horse from them. I found that they are actively bringing in new blood almost yearly through AI and using outside international stallions, buying a young stallion from another breeder out of an international GP stallion, purchasing a new qualified stallion and importing from Spain in 2014, buying a colt and filly in 2013 for the breeding program (buckskins) and most recently importaning from Spain two young chestnut colts as possible breeding stallions in late 2014. There are a lot of brands to be seen at that farm. It may be that historically the gene pool was smaller but I don’t think that’s the current state of things especially with the easy access and use of AI.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=ewells;8601209]
I can only speak to the specific breeder mentioned in quotes here “Jackass MT Ranch” in that I do not think this breeders gene pool is limited or particularly inbred. I have personally looked at and researched the program and bought my own horse from them. I found that they are actively bringing in new blood almost yearly through AI and using outside international stallions, buying a young stallion from another breeder out of an international GP stallion, purchasing a new qualified stallion and importing from Spain in 2014, buying a colt and filly in 2013 for the breeding program (buckskins) and most recently importaning from Spain two young chestnut colts as possible breeding stallions in late 2014. There are a lot of brands to be seen at that farm. It may be that historically the gene pool was smaller but I don’t think that’s the current state of things especially with the easy access and use of AI.[/QUOTE]

That’s great to hear!

Figuring out the degree of inbreeding for one group and/or the whole breed is a tough quantitative problem for population geneticists. And, as you all can guess, it has economic consequences. IIRC, this has been calculated (and fought about) for TBs. One thing I will say with some certainty as an educated-but-amateur student of old-school theoretical population genetics: Finding one individual in a group of 60 (somewhat interbreeding) animals isn’t a low number; rather I’d call it a high one if that 1/60 ratio were true of a much larger population.

[piedmontfields]

This thread makes me want to go shopping for another horse.

I love my Lusitano x. She is hot and sensitive, but also very safe and invested in her person. Good luck finding your match, OP!

[partita]

[QUOTE=ewells;8601209]
I can only speak to the specific breeder mentioned in quotes here “Jackass MT Ranch” in that I do not think this breeders gene pool is limited or particularly inbred. I have personally looked at and researched the program and bought my own horse from them. I found that they are actively bringing in new blood almost yearly through AI and using outside international stallions, buying a young stallion from another breeder out of an international GP stallion, purchasing a new qualified stallion and importing from Spain in 2014, buying a colt and filly in 2013 for the breeding program (buckskins) and most recently importaning from Spain two young chestnut colts as possible breeding stallions in late 2014. There are a lot of brands to be seen at that farm. It may be that historically the gene pool was smaller but I don’t think that’s the current state of things especially with the easy access and use of AI.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I saw the new imports and some of the lovely offspring. I couldn’t keep track of who was who because of the diversity.

[Airfern]

I love drooling over Pam Nelsons horses. Located in Ohio
http://www.hpfandalusians.com/sales.html

[FEIwannabe]

I got mine in Spain. I worked with a trainer there. She found him for me. I could not have dreamed up a better horse. He’s smart, loving, puppy dog, super sensitive, steady as a rock, brave and not spooky. And he’s very talented.
Including the import to the midwest, he was 30-40% less than a similar horse here. If you’re interested in importing, I can give you my trainer’s info.

[Pocket_Pony]

It should be a rule that you are not allowed to post about your horses without showing pictures! I want to seeeeeeee!!! :yes:

[_DQ]

Another PRE breeder in Florida: hds-andalusians.com Hacienda Del Sol. Mostly young stock but everything 3 and up is undersaddle.

[The_Blonde_amp_The_Bay]

Hacienda del Sol in Vero Beach has some really nice youngsters. Their stallion is lovely.

http://hds-andalusians.com/

https://www.facebook.com/DressageLeggy