[QUOTE=Anne FS;8208096]
Wow. Just wow. I believe it. That’s what we’ve come to.
Although I would not be happy if I was that breeder and I think that woman is pathetic for lying. Wonder how much this happens? So now we have even more people saying what great dogs are from rescues when what they’ve seen is actually a carefully bred and raised animal from an excellent breeder.[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt that happens very often.
People who like/want a certain breed ( and realize what they are getting), the varoius breeds are part of what makes dogs interesting.
That said, the more dominant traits/characteristics inherent to certain breeds is also what makes them end up as poor choices for many people. Dogs purpose bred for sport, hunting or guard work, if not allowed sufficent excersize or given proper training can have specific behaviour problems. And the small dogs…imo the trend toward tiny and teacup breeding is horrible and sad, many of these dogs have health problems and as for big headed breeds such as bulldogs that can only be delivered by C section , well on what natural selection scale would a dog breed survive that could not have natural birth.
Mixed breeds ( mutts) are often more hardy and don’t have the extreme traits of some purebreds and thus make good choices for many people , of course depends what the mix is, the size, etc.
[QUOTE=Countrywood;8208175]
People who like/want a certain breed ( and realize what they are getting), the varoius breeds are part of what makes dogs interesting.
That said, the more dominant traits/characteristics inherent to certain breeds is also what makes them end up as poor choices for many people. Dogs purpose bred for sport, hunting or guard work, if not allowed sufficent excersize or given proper training can have specific behaviour problems. And the small dogs…imo the trend toward tiny and teacup breeding is horrible and sad, many of these dogs have health problems and as for big headed breeds such as bulldogs that can only be delivered by C section , well on what natural selection scale would a dog breed survive that could not have natural birth.
Mixed breeds ( mutts) are often more hardy and don’t have the extreme traits of some purebreds and thus make good choices for many people , of course depends what%
We have one shelter in particular close to me that’s quite special in this manner. We’ve never been approved for a dog because we don’t have a fenced yard. The fact that there is always someone home to walk the dog on a leash is irrelevant to them.
They’re also quite fond of trapping people’s barn cats and then refusing to let them have them back. Or charging $300 if the people persist.
We ended up going an hour away to a small rescue to get our Cocker that was neglected in Chicago.
[QUOTE=Liberty;8207545]
Check Craigslist if you don’t want to look around at rescues/shelters anymore.[/QUOTE]
Last cat I got came from Craigslist. Great cat, limited amount of crazy, no adoption contracts, no strings beyond the cat played with.
ETA, saw your looking for a jack cross. Dad was looking for a Jack cross a couple years ago. Those rescues are NUTS. Found a nice 3 legged dog that probably would have been a good fit - they weren’t interested in elderly owners with a fenced yard. I know Jacks & Jack crosses are special, but they were former Jack owners! They knew what they were getting into.
I volunteer with a rescue group in Texas. That’s in addition to a full time job, 3 horses at home and a show horse at the trainers 2 hours away. If you think things need to be different, get involved!
We do prefer homes with fenced yards. You can thank those who over estimate their dedication to leash training and walking their dogs. We prefer homes to apartments, owned versus rented. Once again thank those who don’t read their leases, move and can’t take the dog, etc. We don’t knowingly adopt to people who are adults living with relatives unless they approve. That one is kind of obvious. We prefer older children for very small dogs but have no problem otherwise with placing dogs in homes with children.
And we prefer homes where the dog has the most likelihood of lots of time with their owner. Prefer is not an absolute. But if I’m fostering an adorable puppy who is likely to have lots of interest, why shouldn’t I get to check all the boxes I can?
You can do whatever you want but realize, so can everyone else. So if you really want to make a difference, you have to let the dogs go at some point, not control each and every tiny little thing forever otherwise, forget it. What a headache. I’ll buy a dog. Flea market and BYB puppies need homes too.
Think about it this way–if most BYB puppies end up in shelters, then bully for me for “saving” one from that fate. I’m a one person rescue. Look at that.
Some “rescues” won’t be happy until dogs are extinct.
Almost all our dogs have arrived at our house the moment people discern
we have a vacancy after one has died. But, after a lifetime of owning many different types of dogs, I would feel out of control if a breeder picked a puppy for me. A discussion of which one would be the most suitable is one thing, but being told which puppy the breeder had chosen for me would make me walk.
All purebreds seem to have some traits that are inherently bred into them - good or bad. But street dogs have the same likelihood of having something wrong with them, too. My friend was getting one from Texas (to B.C.) and it had hip dysplasia - she still wanted to get it because she had fallen in love with it, but never seen it.
[QUOTE=Countrywood;8208175]
Mixed breeds ( mutts) are often more hardy.[/QUOTE]
I don’t agree with this. The rest of your post is well said, but I’m old and have been hearing this forever and have come to the conclusion it’s just something people say. Sure, there are strains within purebreds that have health issues, yes, of course, but over my lifetime I’ve seen more “mutts” with issues of one sort or another, health wise or structurally, yet because they’re crosses they don’t get tallied in the “purebred issues” column. The most hardy, healthiest, problem-free dogs I and my friends & family have had over the past 50 years have all been purebreds. They’ve not needed “crossbred vigor.”
[QUOTE=Countrywood;8208175]
Mixed breeds ( mutts) are often more hardy and don’t have the extreme traits of some purebreds and thus make good choices for many people , of course depends what the mix is, the size, etc.[/QUOTE]
Hmm…somehow my post didn’t work properly. I was also going to disagree with this part of your post.
I don’t believe there is any evidence to support this idea. Many purebred dogs do have certain breed traits that can be problematic - brachiocephalic dogs, for example, have a lot of respiratory issues - but a pug/bulldog cross is not going to be a healthier version just because it isn’t purebred.
And a well-bred purebred will hopefully also be free (or less likely to be afflicted) with other genetic issues common in the breed, such as luxating patellas or dysplasia.
Well there are reasons for that. One is with a serious breeder in each litter there are show or performance dogs and pet dogs. While a puppy at 8 weeks might seem to be adorable and cute with it’s high energy antics, and someone in a suburban setting might think it’s the perfect pet for their kids on their 1/4 acre lot. When what it needs is a farm and a hunting home so it has a job and an outlet for all that energy.
My daughter recently went through that process. She wanted to do obedience and agility plus possibly dock diving with her golden. She also wanted a dog that could run with her on her shorter runs of 6 miles and she wanted a female. The puppy her boyfriend wanted would not fit that bill a middle energy affectionate puppy with okay confirmation. The breeder wanted my daughter’s puppy to have excellent confirmation to hold up to the running. Since we had weimaraners growing up that we got obedience tittles on she knew my daughter could handle high energy and when meeting my daughter realized she could handle a more dominant dog. So she ended up with a puppy that met her needs and very few others would have been happy with but my daughter is extremely happy with. And because the puppy is very birdy my daughter has added retrieving trials to the list of the puppy’s future activities.
The breeder has a vested interest in making a good match for both the person getting the puppy and the puppy itself. It’s not like your selling fruit and you don’t care it the apple will be happy.
[QUOTE=Sswor;8208284]
Flea market and BYB puppies need homes too.
Think about it this way–if most BYB puppies end up in shelters, then bully for me for “saving” one from that fate. I’m a one person rescue. Look at that.[/QUOTE]
:no:
Just as I initially thought - it’s not rescues that perpetuate puppy mills - it’s owners who want instant gratification. And now you are actually congratulating yourself for it. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Sswor;8208284]
You can do whatever you want but realize, so can everyone else. So if you really want to make a difference, you have to let the dogs go at some point, not control each and every tiny little thing forever otherwise, forget it. What a headache. I’ll buy a dog. Flea market and BYB puppies need homes too.
Think about it this way–if most BYB puppies end up in shelters, then bully for me for “saving” one from that fate. I’m a one person rescue. Look at that.
Some “rescues” won’t be happy until dogs are extinct.[/QUOTE]
Most of the BYB puppies who end up in shelters do so as uncared for adults after they aren’t so cute anymore.
My rescue isn’t hoarding or warehousing puppies. It normally takes very little time for our puppies to find good homes. Most are adopted within a week or two. I’ve had several adopted in 2 or 3 days. Our fosters are required to keep the puppies for 2 weeks after they are pulled from the shelter because of Parvo and distemper. They must be fixed and have age appropriate shots. We are pretty invested in their welfare by the time it comes to adoption
I think you’d be a fine home for a dog or puppy. But can you blame me for wanting to wait for one I think suits my foster better? Check shelters directly, I bet you can find what you want.
[QUOTE=S1969;8208435]
:no:
Just as I initially thought - it’s not rescues that perpetuate puppy mills - it’s owners who want instant gratification. And now you are actually congratulating yourself for it. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Your opinion matters to me -zero-.
So far, I’ve found nothing that meets your requirements. Sswor, you have narrow requirements on the type and age of the dog you’re looking for. Throw the time constraints in, and you’re going to have a tough time finding a puppy. Even buying a puppy from a reputable breeder is going to take longer that you’ve allowed.
Rescue puppies go quickly and yes, rescues tend to be a bit more critical in their evaluation of homes when it’s a puppy. Too many puppies are turned in to shelter when they’re no longer cute…around 6 months. Rescues are looking for the most permanent homes they can find, when there’s a limited supply (which there always is), they can be pretty selective.
[QUOTE=Sswor;8208456]
Your opinion matters to me -zero-.[/QUOTE]
It shouldn’t - you don’t even know me.
But, you posted on a public forum, and should expect to hear dissenting opinions…not just “hell yeah, those stupid rescues!”
This type of entitled, immediate gratification mentality is exactly what perpetuates puppy mills…which, while some might be “rescued” by people like you…is not the fate of many. :mad:
Well I guess I’ll have to settle on the time window because I’m not willing to settle on the breed type/age/gender. Nor should I.
Ps. Dissent away.
[QUOTE=Sswor;8208284]
You can do whatever you want but realize, so can everyone else. So if you really want to make a difference, you have to let the dogs go at some point, not control each and every tiny little thing forever otherwise, forget it. What a headache. I’ll buy a dog. Flea market and BYB puppies need homes too.
Think about it this way–if most BYB puppies end up in shelters, then bully for me for “saving” one from that fate. I’m a one person rescue. Look at that.
Some “rescues” won’t be happy until dogs are extinct.[/QUOTE]
That’s a really crappy attitude. Buy one from a BYB or a flea market and you just perpetuate the cycle. You’re helping to keep them in business!
Honestly, an older adaptable dog might be a better companion for a shy, fearful dog anyway.
[QUOTE=Anne FS;8208096]
Wow. Just wow. I believe it. That’s what we’ve come to.
Although I would not be happy if I was that breeder and I think that woman is pathetic for lying. Wonder how much this happens? So now we have even more people saying what great dogs are from rescues when what they’ve seen is actually a carefully bred and raised animal from an excellent breeder.[/QUOTE]
It absolutely is what people have come to in some circles. And that’s going too far. I have one foot in some of those circles (organic, reduce footprint, CSAs, ya know) but any friend who ranted against my decision to buy a dog would receive a swift education. I hear it is worse in the UK. I have adopted and bought and remain open to either option.
No, the breeder wasn’t happy! It was a monumental disservice, misrepresentation of rescue, and perpetuated hatred against breeders. What *fool would possibly think a purebred and typey, healthy, socialized puppy of a Toy breed could be adopted from a rescue 
? Honestly if one did come through rescue, the rescue volunteers would snap it up internally.
*The same fools liking HSUS posts on Facebook.
Then go to your local or regional animal shelter and knock yourself out. Most shelters only require that you be legally alive in order to adopt, forget about the lengthy and silly stipulations that SOME rescues ask for.
There are alternatives to private rescues, and all but one preclude going to a puppy mill.
Sheilah
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