What is a Bi-Com machine and what does it do?
http://www.countrycareac.com/holistic-options/bicom-therapy/what-is-bicom-therapy
That’s a short overview. You can google it to find a lot more information. That link is the clinic where I take my mare.
Complaining? Not at all. Shaking my head at the sheer nonsensical nature of this latest gadget? Oh yeah. P. T. Barnum would be giggling right along with me. :no:
Well I am fairly certain that no one is holding a gun to your neck making you do it, so what the heck do you care what others do with their own money, time, and horses? 
I’m amazed at your need to continually argue against anything that isn’t dished out by big pharma.
Nobody here gives a rat’s hind end what you do with your horses or why you choose to do it, so why do you care so much what everybody else does? You’re free to post on any thread you like, but I’m just curious why you make it your life’s work to tear apart everything everyone else does if it doesn’t involve a pharmeceutical drug (which by the way also can have horrible side effects and recalls.) My doc just put me on a drug for fibro that has had only ONE study consisting of ONLY 1,800 patients showing that only a small percentage of those actually improved their symptoms. But it has been approved for treating fibro and is now considered the “drug of choice.” I’m willing to give it a shot but I am NOT impressed with their one piddly little study.
ANYTHING you give - natural or pharm - has the potential to not work, or to create side effects, or to be a total waste of money.
My portion of this script is $40 a month. I could take an herbal supplement for $40 a month and either way I have roughly the same chance that it “might” work.
Where did anyone mention pharmaceuticals here? Are you confusing “traditional medicine” with “science”? Because although I practice one, I would say it’s far more relevant to say that I do not deny the other, as is obviously the case with those who are touting homeopathy and hooking up their animals to machines to measure vibrations so one knows which flower essences to sprinkle on them.
I find it extremely puzzling, the inclination to do these things. Makes almost no sense to me. I don’t believe in magic. But that doesn’t mean I am going to tell someone to use a “drug” instead–how silly! :lol: If you had read what I posted earlier, my feeling on these types of situations is that the BEST “remedy” by far is to just let the situation pass and not seek to TREAT anything, whether it be a patent remedy or whatever else. Not every behavior is a symptom or a sign of a disorder. Sometimes anxiety is perfectly appropriate and doesn’t need ANYTHING done. But there are people who can’t deal with that, so off they go in search of “remedies”.
Believe it or not (your choice) my philosophy is to meddle as little as possible with minor things, and to step in with the “big guns” only when the situation demands it. Sometimes anxiety is appropriate and should be left alone, and human interference only makes it worse. 
“Denying” traditional medicine and science because my horse gets Bi-Com treatments? Where on earth did you get that from? I don’t deny traditional medicine and science at ALL. I believe in WHATEVER WORKS for the individual and the situation. In my situation, I have chosen to use Bi-Com, flower essence therapy, and supplemental magnesium (calming supplement) together because even on a pharmaceutical medication the horse had a relapse of symptoms. If the medication had been working then great, I would have stuck with that. But when the horse was already getting full tubes of Gastrogard at $40 a day and was getting WORSE, what else should I do? Continue giving it even though it was doing nothing?
And whatever somebody wants to use is fine with me. Whatever - not my choice or my decision. I do what works for me, and if I have an opportunity to tell others what has worked for my horse, then I will. If you don’t agree with it, fine. I have no problem with that. You do your thing - I do mine. Done.
Well now I have to pipe up & say that at the recent Region 3 Dressage Championships several people were using Rescue Remedy. They all say that it has helped their dogs over their fear of thunderstorms. Noticing that change in their dogs they then started using it on their horses & most, not all, say it has helped to take the edge off of them.
I haven’t a clue what’s in it & haven’t even used it myself but I’m going to try it for my 2 JRs who are very frightened of any weather change.
I have 2 horses now that I can absolutely see a change in feeding Smart Calm Ultra. No doubt in my mind this supplement has helped them both. I know they’re different type supplements but if it works for you great. I know many people who have used Mare supplements that are totally herbal products & the mares responded well to them.
Wow…I just wanted to find out if anything in the human version would hurt my horse…and look what I started! Whew!!! :lol:
Homeopathy is non-scientific. So if one is happy using it, super. Just call it what it is–a belief system and/or magic. Nothing wrong with those, but they are “other than” scientific.
How fun is this?! 
Oberon, if you’re in VT I’ve got a bottle of RR you can have. I got it because some people I respect swear by it for their horses, dogs and selves. I’ve never tried it on a horse or myself, but the dog does not believe, and prefers valium for thunderstorms. 
My current horse used to get tense about trailering too. He’d hide in the back of the stall when he saw the shipping halter, etc. What fixed it had nothing to do with substances and everything to do with time. He’s very sensitive to tension and, though I didn’t feel stressed (eh, it’s a 15 minute trip to a lesson), he felt it. What fixed his tension - and still does, because I still have to be careful - was to slow. down. and. breathe. Practically fall asleep getting ready. Take a nap in the door to the stall holding the shipping halter. Sleepwalk to the trailer. Give him a really good ride on the road every time. Problem solved. Super cheap. Legal. No prescription required. Good luck!!!
This is a hoot, isn’t it? Thanks for the offer…I’m decidedly south of you (NC), or I’d take you up on the offer!
I’ve been doing everything I can over five years to help this (not having my own truck/trailer over those five years has hindered us…waiting until a friend is going somewhere and trying to hitch a ride has been my MO in the past!). What you mentioned - slowing down - has helped quite a bit (when I’m able - again, depending on others has been the only way I’ve gotten to even try trailering), and I’m hoping the repeated trips of the winter help too (without causing ulcers or anything…so far, we’re clean on those…knock wood). I’ve had the same experience of those I respect use it and loved it…thought I’d give it a try, but didn’t want to spritz maresy with anything that may hurt her.
We’ll see…I’m up for trying all I can! I’m enjoying every minute of the journey!
Well, Deltawave, you’ve certainly ruined the “placebo effect” of Rescue Remedy for me :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oral joint supplements, once-a-month Adequan, Thinline saddle pads - is there any scientific proof that those things help? Yet riders will swear that their horses are moving better. The “placebo effect” is a powerful force indeed.
deltawave, I love you, but your personal quest to denounce everything that isn’t “traditional” is tiresome. You appear on EVERY oral supplement thread, every alternative medicine thread, and so on… with the same snickering tone about placebo effects and the lack scientific evidence. The OP didn’t ask to be mocked, and since you don’t believe in or use homeopathy, I’d suggest that maybe you refrain from answering questions (such as the OP’s?) that you aren’t really qualified to answer.
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DW I’ve used it and it does seem to work - I was at an event and worried and a friend gave me some - I said 'how much?" Oh, I use a couple of dropperfuls. (later I find a couple of DROPS is what the bottle says) So that’s what I did. And then forgot about it b/c I was in a big tizzy. 20 minutes later I noticed that I was doing my studs, usually a task that makes me wound up b/c it takes patience, and I like to hurry. I was complely calm, to the point of being loopy.
I had NO faith it was going to work but it kinda did. It’s shortlived, though. It shouldn’t work, but it seemed to.
You appear on EVERY oral supplement thread, every alternative medicine thread, and so on…
Incorrect. I ignore many of them.
And I’m perfectly qualified to answer questions of a scientific nature, as is anyone else who takes the time to actually study the topic. Or maybe you’re saying since I’m a non-believer that I should refrain from commentary? Au contraire. I already acknowledged my complete agreement that homeopathy is a belief system. What could be less controversial than that? :lol: What have I said about homeopathy that is untrue?
So with your permission I’ll keep being the same tiresome, tedious, scientific person I always have been and (as it’s a free country) I shall state my opinion (and snicker at the sheer unscientific nonsense that occasionally wafts through these threads) whenever I see fit. K?
I was complely calm, to the point of being loopy.
You do know the stuff is about 50 proof, right?
Not necessarily true. The Pet and Child versions of Rescue Remedy contain no alcohol. So you have no proof that the Rescue Remedy that she consumed contained any alcohol at all.
And for what it’s worth, the flower essenses that my vet mixes up also contain no alcohol. The preservative is white vinegar.
I haven’t a clue what’s in it & haven’t even used it myself but I’m going to try it for my 2 JRs who are very frightened of any weather change.
aside from the ones with alcohol in them (VERY calming), like all homeopathic “medicines” there is nothing in there at all. No ingredients. That’s how homeopathy “works”.
HPUS 5x dilution of Helianthemum nummularium, Clematis vitalba, Impatiens glandulifera, Prunus cerasifera, and Ornithogalum umbellatum.
is the ingredient list of “active” ingredients- looks like it could be some kind of herbs, right? yes, some herbs can be calming. But look at the “HPUS 5x dilution” part. To prepare a homeopathic medicine, they take a weak solution of the listed ingredients and dilute them 1:10. Then dilute that 1:10, and so on, in this case, 5 times. So you end up with water.
It is certainly possible for PEOPLE to cause animals to be calmer simply by feeling calmer themselves. Sort of a broadcast placebo effect.
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Incorrect. I ignore many of them.
And I’m perfectly qualified to answer questions of a scientific nature, as is anyone else who takes the time to actually study the topic. Or maybe you’re saying since I’m a non-believer that I should refrain from commentary? Au contraire. I already acknowledged my complete agreement that homeopathy is a belief system. What could be less controversial than that? :lol: What have I said about homeopathy that is untrue?
So with your permission I’ll keep being the same tiresome, tedious, scientific person I always have been and (as it’s a free country) I shall state my opinion (and snicker at the sheer unscientific nonsense that occasionally wafts through these threads) whenever I see fit. K? :)[/QUOTE]
Permission not granted. OP didn’t ask if you ‘believed’, if you thought it was a ‘scientific’ treatment, or what your opinion was of the product. She asked simply if the human version was ok to use on horses, or if she needed the ‘pet’ version. Snickering, condescending tones, bickering with everyone that might not agree with you and derailing (ALMOST) every thread about a ‘treatment’ you do not agree with into some ‘traditional vs homeopathic’ debate…well, apparently that is just your MO. :rolleyes:
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When Sweets started on the flower essences, I was doing a lot of researching and reading about it. I had found quite a few testimonials of snakes, lizzards, crabs, tarantulas, etc. who benefit from being spritzed with the flower essences from a spray bottle. I actually read a lot of testimonies about these creatures settling down and ceasing their stress displays when spritzed. I have never owned a reptile or spider or anything of that nature, so I don’t know what these animals actually “do” when they are stressed, but their owners seem to swear by the remedy. I’m not sure that a human’s calmer demeanor can have an effect on a spider or a crab that lives in an enclosure?
