Lets please be professional here, we all know JB’s reputation, but to now drag other people down is not fair. Rocksolid is a good honest reputable person. They are just doing their job. They are getting paid to do a service and they do it well. Who they do business with should not enter into this discussion. I do not think it was the intent of True Colors to insinuate that Rocksolid did anything wrong, she was only trying to let people know that JB only has money to further her own gain not pay her bills. Sorry Rocksolid that people feel the need to drag you into this. I hope that JB can be stopped and that the filly is found and gets home where she belongs.
I do not think it was the intent of True Colors to insinuate that Rocksolid did anything wrong, she was only trying to let people know that JB only has money to further her own gain not pay her bills.
Exactly this. ^^^
I dont think anyone thinks less of lawyers defending heinous criminals - its their job. Its what they do for a living and how they pay their bills.
Nor do I think less of rocksolid or any shows that have accepted payment from Gray Fox Farm to allow her to show at their venue. Its how they pay THEIR bills as well
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Why on earth would you free jump 2 babies at the same time?
Crazy.[/QUOTE]
It’s actually quite normal to jump yearlings in groups of 2. Yearlings are still very herd bound and it introduces free jumping in a less stressful environment when they have a buddy
So yet again you all choose to “try” and crush her business rather than let her do business so she can pay her debt? is that because she is the #1 breeder according to USEF? I know there is a 3rd side to every story and not sure how really “stolen” this filly is.
As for free jumping yearlings, I have a friend who has done that as well. And where did this come from? THE CLIENTS!! who want to know that their “prospect” will jump!! Do you honestly think that GFF or any breeder has time to sit around free jumping yearlings all day just for the fun of it?
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Nor do I think less of rocksolid or any shows that have accepted payment from Gray Fox Farm to allow her to show at their venue. Its how they pay THEIR bills as well[/QUOTE]
Rocksolid (whom I do not know) will survive without Gray Fox Farm’s business.
If he/she runs a viable business with good results, another client will come along.
However, rocksolid failed to see that in the long run, he/she will lose more than they stand to gain by having the notorious Gray Fox Farm as a client.
It doesn’t benefit the reputation of rocksolid’s business in any way; it does the exact opposite. GFF as a client becomes a business liability, instead of an asset. Clients should be an asset to a business, not the other way around.
Given GFF’s longstanding and well-known trouble with fellow horsemen, can rocksolid honestly say that he/she is proud to be competing horses on behalf of GFF ? Are fellow professionals congratulating rocksolid on retaining this big name client ?
It’s fascinating from a marketing perspective that rocksolid would give the priority to Gray Fox Farm, rather than to his/her fellow professionals (and amateurs), who have been left hanging, and are waiting in line to be paid.
Where’s the honor in that ?
ps. If GFF fails to pay a horse show, the show is protected: USEF will take action.
If GFF fails to pay a member of USEF, apparently there’s no recourse.
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Lets please be professional here, we all know JB’s reputation, but to now drag other people down is not fair. Rocksolid is a good honest reputable person. They are just doing their job. They are getting paid to do a service and they do it well. Who they do business with should not enter into this discussion. I do not think it was the intent of True Colors to insinuate that Rocksolid did anything wrong, she was only trying to let people know that JB only has money to further her own gain not pay her bills. Sorry Rocksolid that people feel the need to drag you into this.[/QUOTE]
Excellent post.
SO I have some info on the site of a new farm. I can verify via the public records once the sale goes through. PM me if you are looking for a horse, or need to know where JB will be stashing horses next.
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May I ask where / how she got the money to ship Rapture out east to show and where / how she got the money to SHOW said filly in the Hunter Breeding classes at … oh … about 7-8-9-10 shows right now???
Since Grayfox Farm is shown as the Breeder AND the Owner on the show records, I am assuming that the Raach’s who are handling her in the ring arent that stupid as to foot the bill for the show expenses and wait to get paid by Jill, I am assuming that Jill is actually paying each show that this filly is showing at and these cheques arent bouncing
Hmmm … different bank accounts??? Or ???
Does anyone know anyone in the show office that can confirm if the cheques are being drawn on a Grayfox Farm account?
Isnt that truly special! You have the available funds to show one of your horses but not to pay the people you owe money to …
Maybe the courts need to know that she is forking out money to do a “luxury” endeavour like showing but is reneging on contracts and who she owes money to …[/QUOTE]
TCF you are a disturber of unequalled proportion. I really am not quite sure how you stay in business. The drama that surrounds you IS your reputation. So while you are taking your time checking on show entries and trying to find alternate bank accounts you are missing the opportunity to do good things for your business.
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So yet again you all choose to “try” and crush her business rather than let her do business so she can pay her debt? is that because she is the #1 breeder according to USEF? [/QUOTE]
Careful. GFF is listed as the current “Leading Hunter Breeding Breeder” for USEF. That’s a far cry from being the “#1 breeder”.
This same leading breeder, for some reason, cannot name the dam of a nice filly (sired by one of her stallions) who is being shown in the hb division. The filly is priced at $15,000. That’s quite a sum for a yearling with incomplete pedigree info, apparently no foal inspection score, and is registered only with USEF’s American Performance Horse registry.
Big hat, no cattle.
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that’s quite a sum for a yearling with incomplete pedigree info, apparently no foal inspection score, and is registered only with USEF’s American Performance Horse registry.
Big hat, no cattle.[/QUOTE]
because obviously a horse with an incomplete pedigree is incompetent? I thought in the hunter world things were based on talent;)
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because obviously a horse with an incomplete pedigree is incompetent? I thought in the hunter world things were based on talent;)[/QUOTE
You seem completely ignorant to that fact that she’s doing somethng extremely wrong and should have every valuable piece of property stripped from her. She’s a scam artist and you coming in here trying to justify it makes you look like a complete moron.
I wouldn’t waste my ‘breath’ arguining with mr. Parker, he has defended gff in at least one othe post on here. Can we please try and keep the focus on how to get this filly back home, assuming that’s where it legally belongs. I can’t believe nobody can just go and retrieve their property- of course I am new to all this…
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So yet again you all choose to “try” and crush her business rather than let her do business so she can pay her debt? is that because she is the #1 breeder according to USEF? I know there is a 3rd side to every story and not sure how really “stolen” this filly is.
As for free jumping yearlings, I have a friend who has done that as well. And where did this come from? THE CLIENTS!! who want to know that their “prospect” will jump!! Do you honestly think that GFF or any breeder has time to sit around free jumping yearlings all day just for the fun of it?[/QUOTE]
Please tell me how in your mind, people complaining that she is not paying her bills and being 100% dishonest about contractual obligations and what her horse or clients horses have accomplished in show have anything to do with each other ?
Clearly your either she or in bed with she. Be a good “friend” and convince her to pay her outstanding obligations , return the horses people are looking for and make good on her word.
Nobody gives two hoots what her horses are doing at shows other then its factual proof that she is picking and choosing who she will pay depending on how it most benefits her. Pay trainer A , run up bill move to trainer B pay them for a bit run up bill etc and so on. Its become a pattern nobody is new to it.
I’d like nothing more than to see JB straighten out this rats nest and go on breeding nice horses at the same time working to fix and maintain an above board reputation. Its and uphill climb and shes still running the wrong way.
I was just going to say I looked at all of his post and they are all involved with problems of Jill.
She keeps removing the YouTube comments.
HOWEVER.
You can report the videos (and her entire damn account) to YouTube that one or more items she is representing are potentially stolen goods.
The OP would need to do it and provide documentation. YouTube is very aggressive about that kind of thing because they do NOT want to be in the middle of trafficking stolen property.
Just provide the relevant information about the specific horses/videos in question and YouTube should do the rest.
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I was just going to say I looked at all of his post and they are all involved with problems of Jill.[/QUOTE]
not all “dream big”. But again if anyone tries to post a positive experience with GFF (which there are quite a few, it just seems no one wants to hear them) they are “justifying” something wrong. When in fact there is no justifying anything.
Gelding all the stallions, stripping GFF off all their horses simply is not going to happen. Telling people to not have any dealings with them then faulting them for not being able to pay their bills is sort of absurd.
I’m all for people getting their issues solved, but I am not convinced the complete truth is there.
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not all “dream big”. But again if anyone tries to post a positive experience with GFF (which there are quite a few, it just seems no one wants to hear them) they are “justifying” something wrong. When in fact there is no justifying anything.
Gelding all the stallions, stripping GFF off all their horses simply is not going to happen. Telling people to not have any dealings with them then faulting them for not being able to pay their bills is sort of absurd.
I’m all for people getting their issues solved, but I am not convinced the complete truth is there.[/QUOTE]
whatever makes you sleep at night.
best of luck to the OP in getting her filly back.
“When in fact there is no justifying anything.”
If you say so
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whatever makes you sleep at night.
best of luck to the OP in getting her filly back.[/QUOTE]
Well that would be another story, but thanks “dream big”
and maybe some of you need to look up the definition of justifying.
And if OP’s case is that the filly should be in her possession then I wish her best of luck too.
“No justifying anything” is Ms. Burnells’ (of Gray Fox Farm’s) modus operandi and fencing stolen property is just one more act of felony. I wasted half a year on her and would warn ANYONE to steer clear of becoming involved with this “farm”. It is a puppy mill for horses and a swamp of immorality. I have an entire paper trail library to support this.
Judge Roy Parker was known as the “hanging judge” so there is some irony here in supporting someone or as the alias of someone who hangs clients year after year. To call it a “business” makes one want to get the I.R.S. involved in a “look-see”. Internet fraud is high crime as well.
If anyone has been dragged into a fraud via the internet, please report it.
