[QUOTE=GutsNGlory;7461253]
My interpretation of the rule language leads me to believe any medical bracelet with an online system to store the information is okay. Medic Alert has online + phone so I assumed it was okay… Probably worth sending an inquiry about to confirm with USEA if you already have one :)[/QUOTE]
There is nothing in the rule requiring online information. If you don’t have any allergies or other medical history…there is no need to have more info online.
I haven’t read all the replies, but sounds great…if my RideSafe bracelet actually worked.
I’ve had it for probably a year now. Although it does at least have my allergy on it and they spelled my name right (I was a lucky one, but they did spell my town wrong), I’ve never gotten it to activate, so good luck to anyone who tries to use my code.
I’ll check the site again to see if it’s changed, and I’ve emailed the owners twice and forwarded the info to YB, but, well, I’m glad I at least got it for a discount. And like I said, at least they maybe won’t kill me with antibiotics…if anyone reads it. It does have ICE number on it too.
ETA – With skinny chicken arms (but horsewoman strong, grrr), the armband is a joke and annoys the crap out of me, so the bracelet is 100x more comfortable, I wear it on opposite arm as watch and never notice it while riding.
[QUOTE=Bikoman;7464582]
I propose this idea for Roadid and Teamridesafe. Why don’t they make sportswatch replacement bands with this info on them as well as the online info. Most horsey people where a sportswatch all of the time 
Edit: Just found something that would work similarly: http://www.1bandid.com/[/QUOTE]
Oh, I do like the idea of that a lot. But the strap on the Optimum Time watch is 1.5" (I just measured) which means you need one of the L or XL straps…which it doesn’t give you a measurement for. It would be nice to have something that I can just attach to the watch.
But re-reading the text of the rule, I’m not so sure about the “not needing to be online” aspect of the bracelets. The rule says:
If wearing a medical bracelet, any relevant medical history injury (particularly to the head), drug allergies and current medication must be included in the online medical form of the bracelet’s vendor website. Athletes are responsible to record all injuries on the card or in the case of a medical bracelet, update their medical information online. Failure to wear one’s own medical card or bracelet shall be penalized by a fine of $100 (payable to the Organizing Committee)."
So that would seem to imply that the bracelet is supposed to be connected to something online. But I personally don’t see why it would need to me, if the injury and allergy information were printed on the bracelet itself.
I’m emailing the USEA now, asking for clarification :yes:
CindyRNA and Blackwly, thanks for responding to my query. I wish I could answer more completely, but a) I have no recollection of several days immediately post injury and only a hazy recollection of the following 4 months (due to TBI). I was NOT oriented in any way shape or form for at least 24 hours (although my husband says I was able to identify him as “the love of my life” despite not knowing who the heck I was). And my surgeon died suddenly about 6 months later so I only have his remarks to go on.
They had no idea what I had eaten in the last 12 hours, and I was in no shape to tell them.
There was concern about how bad my brain injury was, whether spinal cord injury was involved (thankfully not), and I was bleeding more than they expected. I deduce this from the number of CAT scans they did, but I don’t really know.
the auto fusion of my lumbar spine is posited to have happened post some traumatic insult or other, definitely not a surgical repair. There are calcium deposits all through the lumbar area and no flexibility thus no hardware to be seen (but really cool MRIs).
All in all, I expect it was #1 that made them try spinal anesthesia.
But I survived, healed and can respond on CotH in reasonable English. And I shan’t worry about anyone needing to know. Thank you!
[QUOTE=JenEM;7465265]
Oh, I do like the idea of that a lot. But the strap on the Optimum Time watch is 1.5" (I just measured) which means you need one of the L or XL straps…which it doesn’t give you a measurement for. It would be nice to have something that I can just attach to the watch.
But re-reading the text of the rule, I’m not so sure about the “not needing to be online” aspect of the bracelets. The rule says:
So that would seem to imply that the bracelet is supposed to be connected to something online. But I personally don’t see why it would need to me, if the injury and allergy information were printed on the bracelet itself.
I’m emailing the USEA now, asking for clarification :yes:[/QUOTE]
I’m just a lawyer (so check with USEF) but my read of the rule is that an online account would not be required if you have everything on the bracelet. So for those with no medical history/issues and allergies, if any, listed. It should be all that is needed.
Well, I stand corrected – just rechecked the RideSafe website for the first time in a while and whatever the motivation, my number actually works now!
So I guess it might actually finally be functional. The name of the town where I have just sold my house (LOL) is still spelled wrong on the bracelet, but it’s not like the ambulance is going to take me there (I hope, there’s no hospital!!!).
[QUOTE=scubed;7459262]
As someone who spends a ton of time as SJ or XC warm-up steward, this is not going to make me happy. If you are wearing long sleeves, you will have to take your hand off the reins to push it up to show the steward you are wearing the bracelet and it will be much harder to spot check if the bracelet is really yours/has the correct ID if it is the type where info is online, not typed on the bracelet.[/QUOTE]
I was just thinking that same thing, Scubed.
If anybody wants a small sport wrist band that road id makes in red I would be happy to rehome it. I wore it before I broke my wrist and now it’s just a bit tight.
[QUOTE=retreadeventer;7465718]
I was just thinking that same thing, Scubed.[/QUOTE]
Won’t make a difference up here if they bring in this rule change - they actually stop you and check at least the front page of your medical card to make sure it’s yours, and it’s current. But we also do a quick trot on a loose rein both before and after XC, and have a “vet box” coming off XC at all levels. Sometimes it just has a steward, but at the big events there’s a vet on site and they eyeball everyone coming off the course as well as being on call if there’s a problem.
Maybe this was answered but is RoadID the only one allowed or can you use any of the other ones that don’t require internet access?
Okay, looks like EN has summed it all up for us and the verdict is if you go with just the bracelet, then it must be backed up by information on line.
http://eventingnation.com/home/ens-big-fat-guide-to-the-new-medical-bracelet-rule/
[QUOTE=FatCatFarm;7480792]
Okay, looks like EN has summed it all up for us and the verdict is if you go with just the bracelet, then it must be backed up by information on line.
http://eventingnation.com/home/ens-big-fat-guide-to-the-new-medical-bracelet-rule/[/QUOTE]
I tend to not trust all that is on EN. Nothing against EN…but it isn’t an official source.
I’d like to know how they came to that conclusion as my ARM band doesn’t link to an online account.
If you include all the information on the bracelet, that should be sufficient. You should only need to link to an online IF you have a more extensive history. In other words…looking at the rule, if you have no history, there would be no need to go online as the online requirement seemed to only be for history/allergies not already disclosed.
And honestly…I dislike that online requirement as I know the medical professionals will not be logging in online in an emergency anyway so I’m not sure why we have this sort of rule. The point of having an emergency contact is that your contact is the one who will know how to track down the important information such as insurance and contacts.
I hear you but looking at the rule on the USEA website, I get the same thing from it.
If wearing a medical bracelet, any relevant medical history injury (particularly to the head), drug allergies and current medication must be included in the online medical form of the bracelet’s vendor website.
[QUOTE=FatCatFarm;7480876]
I hear you but looking at the rule on the USEA website, I get the same thing from it.
If wearing a medical bracelet, any relevant medical history injury (particularly to the head), drug allergies and current medication must be included in the online medical form of the bracelet’s vendor website. [/QUOTE]
But if all that is info is already on the bracelet…why would it need to be in a medical form online that NO ONE is going to access. To me (as a lawyer), if that is no information, then nothing needs to be included.
Although, it could be construed/argued that if you have no prior medical history, drug allergies and are not taking any medications, would the rule for the need of an online history still apply?
[QUOTE=FatCatFarm;7480960]
Although, it could be construed/argued that if you have no prior medical history, drug allergies and are not taking any medications, would the rule for the need of an online history still apply?[/QUOTE]
That’s my point. If you have none of that (and state that on your bracelet) then there should not be a need for an online history as there is no history. So this out wouldn’t be for everyone…just those with no issues. And personally…if I have issues, I’d rather have my allergies and major medical on my arm and not require someone to look up my history (which has been posted by many in the field is not going to happen).
Look at the comments after the EN article. Looks like they were wrong–you don’t need a link to online information on your bracelet. I will await further clarification…
In comments section on EN, they said that USEF legal is clarifying the rule overnight and they’ll have additional info tomorrow.
It’s too bad that they don’t use RFID instead of depending on internet connections. That would make for a much better and more accessible product.
Hey COTHers! I just wanted to pop by to let you know we just received the legal team’s clarification from the USEF, which reads as follows:
Presently use of medical bracelets which do not provide access to the information required per EV113.3 on a vendor website are not permissible; only because the current language of the rule requires that the information be stored online. Any member of the USEF may submit a rule change to this effect. Following is a link to the USEF Rule Change Proposal form: http://prc.usef.org/propose.aspx
This confirms what we originally posted — that ONLY bracelets that connect to an online medical form are legal at this time.
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