Riding in side reins - yay or nay?

it depends on the horse, the rider, and the quality of training being provided to both.

it is done quite frequently in europe, uk, ireland, US, canada… really… in good programs…

i don’t see the difference, personally, between riding in side-reins (attached through legs to the girth) or draw reins - both can be very dangerous if something goes wrong.

i have ridden in side-reins and a harwich martingale, will ride in them again… and in the right program with the right trainer they can be very valuable.

Scribbler and CHT, would you consider this correct use of side reins? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKOJdM8RjuU&t=50s

Asking for my own edification since I don’t really use lunging as a tool, but if I were to do so, this looks closest to what I would do.

Alois Podhajsky goes into a bit of detail in “The Riding Teacher” about how and why and when he advocates using side reins to educate the student.

IMO, the above video is nice, but it really doesn’t describe how to use the side reins correctly. It’s obvious to anyone who knows the training scale and how to get a horse to reach for the bit what he’s doing, but for someone who doesn’t know it doesn’t tell them. To me, that’s the real issue behind side rein misuse- the knowledge of the reach is missing, so the side reins are used to force a headset. For horses that aren’t exactly purpose bred and have trouble finding that reach, I think the lunge is a great way to help them.

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I don’t care for the video. Like Kolsh said, it doesn’t describe how to properly use side reins. This is not your average horse…the guy in the video states that this horse was previously ridden in draw reins, so this is a horse pre-disposed to going behind the contact. What they are doing in the video does make sense due to the horse needing to learn to stretch and seek contact, not go behind it.

For your average horse who has not been ridden in draw reins, the side reins are flapping about too much. They say to hook the side reins on the rings next to the pommel of the saddle. Personally, I would never do this. Those rings are just held on with a tiny little screw. Good way to have them ripped off your saddle. Use a surcingle over your saddle instead. Also, the way they are adjusted allows the horse to dive too far onto the forehand. If you look closely, every time the horse goes around with his nose to the ground, the length of front leg stride shortens. But, this is horse who is learning how to seek contact.

Also, the guy lunging doesn’t use the whip too well. Half the time it’s pointing behind him, then he periodically snaps it at the horse, then goes back to pointing the whip behind him. He’s also not safe in how he’s holding the lunge line. He’s got the excess lunge line dangling on the ground. At one point is almost wrapped around his leg.

agree, flapping reins, not teaching a thing. For this horse, it makes sense, but why even have them on? they are doing nothing. The longer they are, the more of a “trip hazard” they are as well.

Double longing this horse makes more sense.

Short reins are better then flapping reins.

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That is not how I use side reins. My horse has the opposite problem in that he is happy with a low headset. I want him higher. I don’t have them flapping like that. I attach them to the girth.

I use solid side reins. The rings give a release of pressure if the horse pulls and voila teaches them to pull and lean. JMHO.

If anyone wants to follow his advice and hook the side reins close to the pommel, I would use something like these, http://www.fourstarbrand.com/product…ng-saver-pair/

As another poster mentioned, the D-rings on the pommel can be pulled out.

I have DIYed my own D-ring by just looping a doubled piece of hay string thru the stirrup bars on many occasions. [ETA this was for hanging extra gear on a trail ride not for use with a side rein]

I agree, I don’t see where the side reins are doing any work in the first part of the video. The horse is being asked to stretch in the riding videos, which is good, but he is not really stretching with an open poll, and using his back. He is more rolling behind the vertical and just tipping forward onto the forehand. You can see the effect of less than optimal training using draw reins.

I don’t see much difference over the 8 minutes of the longe video. In particular, take your eyes off the up and down head carriage, and watch the hind legs. A big nicely built horse like this should be tracking up effortlessly at the working trot. Yet from start to finish he is still coming short behind. That says that the work on the longe is not effectively addressing his body and balance. Over 8 minutes of good longe work, the horse should be starting to track up, if nothing else, as indication he is getting his hind end working. Going short behind like this is an indication he is falling on the forehand, and the longe work is not helping him.

I’ve watched Will Faerber videos before and while I appreciate what he is trying to attempt in retraining horses that have been overschooled to overbend and go on the forehand, it doesn’t seem to me he has the most effective tool kit for doing this, compared to my own coach.

My own coach would insist on the horse moving out enough that it was tracking up, before trying to modify how the horse was moving. And in a case of a horse like this one that was rooting down, rolling behind the bit, falling on the forehand, through previous training, she would be using upward half-halts to raise the head and open the poll. Then she would move to balanced trot stretching towards the bit with an open poll, but not falling on the forehand. Only after the issues with ducking behind the bit were pretty much sorted out, would she then move to collected work and start asking the horse to give at at the poll again.Lateral work at the walk would also be started early to get the horse stepping under behind and changing its balance.

Some of this would be done in hand, as well as in the saddle. There isn’t really any room for sidereins in this scenario, if the problems in the horse were caused by side reins or draw reins.

I’ve watched my coach and her junior coach fix a number of horses with these issues, and also watched my friend fix the roll-behind problem on a new horse, with their guidance. It was never the problem with my horse, so I haven’t done the steps myself, but I understand how it works, and see that it does work. My horse had an innate tendency to invert and go above the bit, and not track up at all, so I started with working the walk lateral and forward balanced stretchy trot forever until she was trotting like a normal horse, not a sewing machine, and then we were able to start asking for poll flexion and collection.

Then I would say you haven’t seen enough.

It’s not the wand, it’s the wizard. Side reins absolutely have a place in the training bag of goodies when used correctly and for the proper reasons. Used incorrectly they, like any other tool, do more harm than good.

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^ exactly. :yes:

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I have no argument against the charge that, as a middle aged re-rider, I haven’t seen “enough.” Being on COTH is a way of seeing “more” beyond my immediate locale.

All I can say is, that IRL, I haven’t seen side reins used by any rider who gets a horse moving correctly in the end, and the riders that do get a horse moving correctly, don’t use sidereins as a matter of principle.

I’m open to the possibility that they are used correctly, somewhere, by someone. But in order to evaluate that, I’d want to observe IRL someone starting a young horse in sidereins that later went on to move correctly. Maybe at some point I will be able to watch this process.

Watching a video of a fully trained horse moving nicely in sidereins as a demo of how to use them, doesn’t quite convince me, because who knows how the horse was trained? It’s how sidereins function earlier in the training process that interests me.

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The SRS uses them. You can see horses at all stages of training with them in the one day.

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Okay, if I ever get to Vienna, I will be sure to visit.

Me too.

There is also a lot of video on the net. You can buy books and DVDs.

Horses Are Made to be Horses was written by Franz Mairinger by his student’s after his death. It has a few anecdotes about the SRS. I dont remember side reins being mentioned. But it is a start to their way if thinking.

In my experience (and my belief system) side reins are the norm for lunge lessons. This would be on a trustworthy horse who is quite used to them with a knowledgeable instructor handling the lunge line. Could be for a rider of pretty much any age/ability.

Side reins would be very rare when not on a lunge line, but may be useful in certain situations with the right safeguards - i.e. bombproof lesson horse, familiar arena with few distractions and little need for steering, instructor who knows the horse well, etc. I really only see a use for them with very beginner riders. If a horse seems to need side reins for an intermediate or better rider, it probably is NOT the trustworthy sort who would be safe to ride in them.

For lunging without a rider, I certainly see a use for them, and have seen them used at just about any barn that does a significant amount of training. The way I use them for lunging, they probably don’t “teach” the horse much, but they keep him from goofing off, and help him to more consistently use the training that he already has.

I do this, but only on the lunge, and yes, only with particular horses who are mostly dead, and little kids.

Otherwise, I have seen it a very very few times in my life and it’s just not a good plan.