Rotated coffin bone in PPE - deal breaker?

[Zu_Zu]

Pass

Please keep looking - Good Luck Jingles

[beau159]

I’m not a vet either, but I’m seeing ever-so-slight downward angles on the “good” hoof too. But more noticeable on the “bad” hoof.

It’s a hard, hard call to make. If the horse is perfect in every other way except for this issue, and you’ve had trouble finding a good prospect, it’s up to you to decide to take the risk or not.

If you have found other horses that suit your needs … then I would probably pass on this risk.

Horse shopping is hard!

[findeight]

No vet here either but, IMO, if I can see it, this 4 year old horse does not check all the boxes for a serious Jumping career. Front feet obviously take the brunt of landing which increases as fences go up. And this horse will be jumping hundreds of fences on the way to 1.2/3m both schooling and hauling you around in lessons.

You want to take a chance and have another horse you can jump as well as a back up career for this horse to fall back on? If this is a one and only horse you board out and your dream is 1.2/3m? Pass. BTDT and it broke my heart,

[Jealoushe]

has she foundered? Almost looks that way.

[JB]

@kwpn_01

My vet noted slight rotation of her front coffin bone (more prominent on the LS) and that it should usually present itself as flat.

Coffin bones are not supposed to be flat/ground-parallel/0* angle. They are supposed to be a good 2-3* above parallel, so when they do get fully weighted, at most they go to 0*

FWIW, “rotation” is generally used to describe the angle of P3 increasing, with the heel coming higher and higher, with more and more space between the faces of P3 and the hoof wall.

The Before rads of the RF show a foot that has been poorly trimmed for a good growth cycle, so 9+ months. P3 isn’t flat.

I don’t even see any rotation. I DO see the slightest hint of the hoof wall getting a little farther away from the fact of the coffin bone as it goes down, but IMHO that’s due to the chronic flare and the wall pulling away, which is VERY different from P3 changing orientation within the hoof capsule

The After trim is loads better. Who trimmed - the regular farrier or someone new?

what was the integrity of the hoof wall like? If it was good and solid, then that points to inherent good genetics for a strong wall, which is great

The LF is definitely flatter, at/approaching 0*, with the faintest hint of starting a bullnose profile on the outer wall. There’s a decent bit of excess toe height Before, and things to look better AFter (though the toe area is hidden).

That foot also shows the results of long-term poor trimming. But I also don’t see anything that can’t be fixed with competent work. A good farrier or trimmer (not sure if she’s shod or will need shoes for a while) has what sounds like otherwise healthy feet to work with, and can get them healthy in short order.

The feet are still growing, they’re not a mess, it’s not something I’d pass up an otherwise ideal horse

@Jealoushe

has she foundered? Almost looks that way.

this doesn’t look anything like founder. That is heel-high rotation within the hoof capsule, and/or sinking within the hoof capsule

It’s harder to tell on the LF than the RF, but I see the top of P3 more or less even with the coronet band (which c’mon, ALL vets need to be marking that, AND the true apex of the frog, for xrays to see what’s what inside, ie xrays for this scenario). So, no sinking or, if there is some minor sinking in the LF (with the flatter P3), the act of fixing that misalignment will resolve that IMHO

[kwpn_01]

Final verdict! After reviewing the x-rays with vet, trainer and farrier, they DO look better with the trim however the issue is still present. I should have posted the DP views as well which shows the imbalance of the coffin joint on the RF. It can potentially be corrected, but corrective shoeing could also make it worse and it would eventually become a chronic issue (when or how long, we don’t know). That, along with a small find on the stifles, along with no budge in asking price, we are passing. She is a lovely athletic mare that will be suited for a lower level job. Thank you for your responses! The search continues.

[floppyammy]

OP thanks for updating us! I was following along and wondering how it would go. It sounds like you made a wise decision and have a good team guilding you. I hope the right one comes along soon.