Rule Change Proposals

I got in trouble at our last show of the season last year - because I assumed the rules would be in effect.

I went into warm up and there was an x-rail, small vertical, large vertical, and 2 oxers. Popped the smaller jumps and assumed even thought the larger vertical and both oxers looked large, they wouldn’t be set larger than allowed (we were jumping novice, so assumed around novice height). Cantered up to the oxer and my guy stopped. I came off - after checking the height (from the ground) I found the jump was closer to prelim than novice, and no wonder my green novice horse wasn’t sure about it. This was not a USEA show, but a very well ran championship show. But I shouldn’t assume - I was the last to go in the class so everything should have been novice-BN based on who was in the ring (I was last to go in Novice, and BN was next in the ring), but someone had set it high & no one lowered it, just left it.

I was in warm up with my non-horsey BF (who can understand how to pick up poles and raise or lower by # of holes) but did not know the height of the jumps & the allowed height of the warmup fences, so he didn’t pick up on it being large either.

I wish the the pros (well everyone) would have concerns for others & not overstep the rules set in place to make everything welcoming & safe & inviting.

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The rules say they may not be more than 4 inches taller than the level you are warming up for.

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Of course not!!! A new BE computer system has finally been binned this year after £ millions have been lost over the past decade. The latest report suggests that BE has moved back into solvency, at last.

To save costs, as voted on by the membership, last year abandonment insurance was passed on to individual Event organisers rather than being covered by BE. Such insurance is hugely expensive, due to the UK weather. As a result many popular, long-standing and even famous events pulled the plug and just stopped running.

Then there was a really weird decision whereby BE said any Event running an International competition would not be allowed to run any unaffiliated ones. Anti-competitive or what? The UA ones make money that supports the FEI ones. I think that rule actually came from the FEI but that isn’t how it was presented. More organisers just walked away. Barbary Castle, famous 4*, ran UA last season. It will be interesting to see the fixture list for 2024.

There is strong growth of at least two regional circuits of UA Events, run by the same organisers, staffed by the same volunteers, built by the same course designers but with, Good Grief!, a little bit of prize money. BE doesn’t show much sign of learning or improving in light of this healthy competition. There is some limited lip service.

BE has had a period of high turnover of senior board- and committee members. They arrive with good ideas and motivation but rapidly become worn out by the infighting and toxic relations. It is a small world and horse people tend to have strong opinions and firm views.

Eventing was given Government dispensation to run during the pandemic, with special measures in place to keep people safe. Many of these will probably stay because things like printing one’s own bib number makes sense and riders really liked having fewer people in the warmup arenas. But I think the pandemic has impacted participation as horses and riders lost a lot of match practice and that lack of opportunity has impacted the development of horses right up through the levels. The numbers at 5* were light last year. On the other hand, low level participation probably grew during the pandemic as people had time. I’ll have to check that when the figures are published for 2023.

Then the cost of living crisis. Eventing is most definitely not a cheap sport. Many Events just found they hadn’t got enough entries to be viable and had to reduce the days they ran or cancelled totally. Yet other Events were so over subscribed, they had to add extra days. BUT there was no discernable pattern, why some, not others. Again, that 2024 fixture list will be an interesting read.

On the other hand, there is imagination and innovation amongst Event organisers. There are new initiatives to promote BE membership and to promote education and training as widely as possible. And having a really engaged and active membership, who squabble and argue and bitch and moan and demand special meetings and vote on issues and require transparency from Head Office means BE is probably not in terminal decline yet.

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Oh good! I always thought there was a rule of “no higher than the level above you” but I never checked if it was a real rule or more of a common courtesy, and I’ve never wanted my warm-up jumps any higher than that anyway.

I’ve seen it happen at shows with multiple rings going, say Starter and Prelim and the Prelim riders claim ownership of all the warm up fences and leave them at Prelim height. Or it’s Prelim and all of the fences are set at or above Prelim max height so you have to get someone to muscle in, stake out a fence, stand in front of it, and lower it so you can warm up over something smaller than Max height and if you’re not a very vocal aggressive person it doesn’t happen. The ring steward is usually trying to get people into the ring, is a volunteer, isn’t equipped to deal with jerks, and doesn’t monitor the size of the warm up fences or which riders don’t have ground crew to claim a fence. It’s entirely possible for a rider to not be able to jump anything because it doesn’t matter if you’re up next and the trainer who owns the fence doesn’t have a rider until 6 out.

I do think it’s show location specific as I don’t see it everywhere.

Yes, that’s how I interpreted it too and I love the idea! Especially since they’d be walking around with badges to signify their willingness to answer questions. It can be intimidating to compete without support and I think it would be very reassuring to have the option of seeing someone on a course walk and asking if you can tag along and ask questions, what studs they suggest, or whatever. I think a lot of people at events are willing to help each other out but breaking the ice can be difficult, and this is one way to do that. I like the badge idea because I’m not good with faces and don’t do much social media, so a list of names wouldn’t help me recognize anyone.

I also agree that SJ warmup can be tough without a coach because some people do claim jumps. It would be great if the holes on the warm-up jump standards were required to be marked with the colors of each level, so that non-horsey people could help set jumps more easily and situations like @leighbo009’s wouldn’t arise. I’m already not the best judge of height and it seems even harder when there’s no fill.

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Does this also mean there will now be a new CR rule at BN and N?

NOPE.

So… dumb question… how do they apply the CR to BN and N then? Or is the wording poor?

I got the impression that you would have to sign up in advance at the horse show office, and then you would be given the trainer’s contact information and fee schedule.

Not a dumb question- a dumb rule change proposal. The wording is not just poor, it is wrong. The proponents, 3 individuals from Area I, not the Eventing Committee, don’t know what they are talking about in this context

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No. From the meeting it was clear that this is explicitly for the case when there has NOT been a prior connection between client and coach. The client would contact the coach AT THE EVENT, then the client and coach would discuss fees, releases, etc. and the coach would decide whether or not they wanted to take on THIS client.

The coach “signs up” with the office, not the client.

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I see. Thanks.

My reading comprehension seems to be failing me.

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Another dumb question as I was also told this only effects you if you are planning on moving up and obtaining the MERs to do so?

A- Don’t worry about it. I am VERY confident that THIS rule change is not going to pass.

B - the way it is written,

  • if you had ONE DR, MR, RF, or CR (if relevant), you can not move UP at your next competition, but you can continue competing at the same level (so that only matters if you are planning to move up)
  • if you had TWO (or more) DR, MR, RF, or CR (if relevant) at one level within 12 months, you HAVE TO move DOWN to the next lower level for your next competition

C -see A

Edited to add RF

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Thank you. Very helpful. I understand and don’t disagree w the intent but the wording sucks.

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