Runhappy a miler?

My lack of cable has me out of the loop on the commercials; I have not seen any of these.

But I once asked those “in the know” about the purpose of cable/network TV commercials, since they always seemed kind of silly to me. No one plans their matings because of a TV commercial.

I was told the commercials are strictly for industry support; by buying advertising time, they are helping racing remain in the public eye. Keeping racing on the air benefits everyone, and maybe, just maybe, a farm will garner a few new clients by putting their name out there.

Stall 1 at Claiborne I personally almost feel an insult to the greats that have been housed over the years in Stall 1.

That’s a bit harsh. Claiborne Farm is a leader in the industry; they have evaluated Runhappy as a stallion, I have not. They can market and stable him however they want.

Is it that big a deal that he was drug/lasix free?

With drugs being a hot button issue, it makes sense to tout that he ran without them, especially since it is so unusual for a North America-raced stallion. It may or may not sway any breeders’ decisions, but it certainly is a positive PR talking point. It also sounds good on TV when the world is watching. Since these commercials are generated for industry support and self promotion, it makes sense to advertise something that will represent them favorably to the public.

Was he really that good a horse with that strong a pedigree or is Claiborne advertising the snot out of him to try to get mares in his book (and for this year, really late to breed and they’re still advertising much more, IMO, than other stallions).

Am I selling Runhappy short or what am I missing?

He was a champion; you don’t become a champion for no reason. That’s what makes managing these young stallion prospects’ racing careers such a gamble. Breeders and fans have short memories. If Runhappy had retired while he was undefeated in his G1 races, no one would question his ability. But because he was beaten, he lost his hype and immortality status.

The numbers for 2017 are not out yet, but I doubt Runhappy had trouble filling his book. The season is over now, even if these commercials were for the purpose of attracting breeders (which they aren’t), they would not be trying to get mares to him for this year. Remember, this was only his first year at stud, we don’t even know what he will throw. It’s not unusual to continue promoting him heavily going into his second season.

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I realize that Claiborne can market him how they want :slight_smile:

I personally feel like Runhappy isn’t of the same caliber as some of the previous Stall 1 residents (Unbridled, Easy Goer, Secretariat, Bold Ruler). Also Eddington but not as familiar with him :slight_smile: I think I’d still feel like this even if he had retired undefeated. He didn’t inspire me when he was racing.

Really just curious as Claiborne has been marketing him pretty constantly since he retired last year when they acquired him. I don’t recall having any other stallion from Claiborne or any other farm, getting this much exposure.

Was just curious how much a serious breeder would take into account no drugs/lasix when making a stallion selection. I know drugs/lasix are a hot issue but was curious how much of a factor that would be in making a decision.

Was also curious how stellar his pedigree really is as I recognize some of the names but don’t always know their significance relating to potential performance on the track.

A stallion’s success in the shed has nothing to do with how “inspiring” he was during his career.

In almost every case, our most influential stallions were not the best of their racing class. But, they were all able to be competitive at the highest levels of the sport. Mr. Propsector wasn’t even a graded stakes winner, yet he was a more successful sire than Secretariat born the same year.

Before I weigh in on the rest of your questions, I’m just going to reiterate my opinion that these commercials are NOT specifically being aired for breeders. However, Claiborne is likely advertising him similarly to breeders, so it’s worth discussing.

Re: breeders and the drugs/lasix. My opinion is that the average North American breeder producing horses to be successful in the marketplace is unlikely to be swayed any direction by Runhappy’s lack of drugs. They are looking at pedigree, conformation, racing ability, and market trends when making their decisions.

There is a small portion North American breeders who have been vocal about the drugs/lasix issue and may be attracted to his lack of drugs. Also, it is a selling point to international breeders whose horses will be running in countries where drugs/lasix are illegal. Considering these markets exist, it’s worthwhile to mention.

Evaluating a pedigree for potential as a sire is different than evaluating a pedigree for racing potential, and even more of a gamble. When looking at the pedigree of a stallion prospect, you generally want to see horses by sires who beget successful sons and female families who have produced sires (in additional to horses successful at the highest level of the sport). Runhappy is at a pedigree disadvantage, as he does not come from either. That is part of the reason why he is starting at $25K, while someone like Frosted is starting at $50K.

But… horses don’t read their pedigrees, as we all know. Plenty of top sires have come from unassuming pedigrees, and plenty of sires bred to the hilt have been complete busts. Claiborne Farm has been historically adept in developing stallions into superstars, so I’m going to trust that they have a better handle on his capacity than I do. :smiley:

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Texarkana, thanks for the detailed and thoughtful response.

You brought out points I just don’t think of (like European breeders maybe being more interested in the drug/lasix free aspect than the US breeders). This is what I was looking for… I see only one side of this business; so many of you have seen far more sides of it than I and was just looking for a broader perspective.

I know stallions don’t read their pedigrees or past race performance when it comes to what they throw in their offspring… either good performance on the track or their offspring themselves throwing good performance :wink:

Seems to me like Runhappy was being overly advertised (which makes me suspicious of just about anything) and yes, his fee is less than many other first year stallions, but also more than others. Haven’t seen, in my subjective opinion, many stallions either first year or experienced with the number of commercials that it seems like he’s gotten.

I can’t imagine the pressure that big farms like Claiborne, Winstar, Coolmore, etc all are under and the crap shoot they do every year on guessing which prospects to chase and, if obtained, what to offer as first year (when a first year stallion is selected on one set of criteria vs an experienced stallion where you have some idea of shed performance).

For whatever reason, Claiborne is choosing to put Runhappy in their commercials. Just remember, that air time would have been purchased regardless of who is on their roster. Maybe they really believe in him, maybe they just think he has a good “face” for TV, or maybe they were tired off doing the same old pretty farm shots/dramatic music/names of champions bit that everyone does. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

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Perhaps Mac McIngvale still has a say/share. Running successful drug-free horses - despite others’ pooh-poohing the idea, was his goal, before, and since Runhappy. And others seem to have said, if only in passing, they would like to return to those days. Certainly can’t see what is wrong with mentioning it considering his success. He was a blast to watch.

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I do not know much anymore (so please? Be gentle with me?)
I am not ‘horse-stupid.’ I had owned and started/trained a few (riding/a bit of dressage) horses since 1976;
Before, that I was very interested in horse racing.
My 30 yo horse died nearly a decade, and I had to give my (now) 22 yo gelding to a friend 3 years ago, because I can barely get out of bed. RA, TBI, etc. etc.
An accident has left me unable to ride, or think very much. (TBI)
So I am going back to when I was 10 yo, and first started loving TBs, when Proud Clarion won the 1967 KY Derby (I ‘think that’s right?’)
But as I’ve read as much things (the X factor) and an studied other … info/stuff?? (sorry!I can’t recall! )
It seems like a durable stallion with lots of speed and drive, a good cross with a mare with great pedigree and background. Dr. Fager mares were sought after as broodmares.
Was it ‘Bull Hancock’ that said: “don’t say anything bad about a stallion, until he’s dead for 10 years.”
I really liked Shackleford; his speed, his attitude (recall those pictures of him enthusiastically doing ‘airs above the ground’ and some people saying “Pony-Kite”) Sorry about the ‘seeming weep-story’ My life is what it is.
And sorry any typos
Thank you all for being here, when I have no more horses to brush and feed

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That is a definite possibility that I had not considered. Dude is nuts enough to pay to keep Runhappy on TV as an anti-drug spokeshorse, and I have no idea what rights, if any, he retains.

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Found this morning on The Paulick Report.
Nice gesture.

https://twitter.com/MattressMack/status/901969638694600705/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paulickreport.com%2F

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I heard about that yesterday. Wonderful gesture on his part–and pets are also welcome. He’ll get a gold star in the great scorecard in the sky for this.

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Maybe Claiborne just advertises more than other farms? I have seen the Runhappy commercials but I have also seen commercials for Orb, War Front, Lea, Mastery, etc.

What a great thing to do.

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I’ve seen so many wonderful posts about this guy in the Hurricane Harvey thread. An awesome man!

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Amazing generosity. :yes: