Sad situations that are going to be happening too much...

[princessfluffybritch]

[QUOTE=Equibrit;5150940]
How about you ALL resist the overwhelming temptation to exercise your keyboards, and let the suituation play out.[/QUOTE]

It’s obvious to alot of people here that person loved her animals.
Off the cuff, I have OCD. 15 years ago I planted a rose bush, and during that summer I ended up planting 88 bushes, and moved them all at least 3 times.

Before that, I had purchased one piece of depression glass and went on to spend a few thousand dollars for more.

In the past 3 years I’ve gone from 3 chickens to 35, but each one lives well and has a name. I’ve stopped hatching eggs and love taking care of them. I could have easily had 100 by now. It’s not hard to do. But I take a pill for that now. Is the pill a cure? No, but it helps. I certainly didn’t wish for it.

I would rather see this thread talk about “What went wrong”, and consider this thread a learning experience rather then a mud slinging snark-fest.

I have not read anything that shows said person to be blatantly (sp) cruel. Just someone that can’t understand that she got in “over her head” .

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=Huntertwo;5151539]
At this point, 4:36 PM Eastern time, you have posted more than anyone else, besides one other poster…:rolleyes: Need I say more?[/QUOTE]

how can you tell that ? wondering?

Tamara in TN

[shawnee_Acres]

I really HATE to post here again have said what I ahd to say BUT I must say that I live in pain EVERYDAY of EVERYWEEK of EVERYYEAR and I get up and take care of my place and my animals no matter what. I have had three serious back surgeries starting at age 17. Anyone who knows me, or has seen me knows how I walk. My back is nearly always giving me a problem and now my hip, where they took out a bone graft has begun having serious issues. I do not and cannot stop doing my work here. So I too don’t buy the whole “pain” thing as an excuse for not caring for animals. As I said earlier, I feel badly for her in one respect, but I do not think I should “enable” someone by offering “gifts”. I think, as I said before, that this may be a wake up call for her and that she should seek counseling, as well as looking into finacial assistance, and that she should seriously consider finding homes for her horses if she is unable, financially or physically to care for them (or for any other reason for that matter). And if she indeed had a theft, then that should be reported to the police. Altho am a bit surprised when I saw that thread insofaras I would think that would be the last thing I would be worried/upset about if I got home and found my animals gone! At any rate, I do not think I am being "nasty’ towards her, I am sympathetic as it sounds as if she needs some help, help that none of us can really provide. But I do think the choices made in this situation show someone that is not really thinking clearly and rationally

[farmgirl598]

I am offering is some fencing that i was going to toss out anyway… Hardly something so grand as paying an electric bill or feeding her horses… But if it helps someone who has offered me great advice over the past couple years, I’m more than willing to send it her way

I think that is very nice of you…You’re extremely kind!

We should all reserve judgment until we are sure of the facts here. Just watch, listen, learn, and then we can better have an idea of how to help.

There have been many emotional reactions here, and it’s silly to get emotional until we KNOW FOR SURE what has happened. Just pray for PP and the horses, and hope for the best for everyone involved.

[wireweiners]

Um, has anybody heard from the lady herself? Isn’t WEG over? Hasn’t she called and checked in about her horses? On the rare occasions I have to go out of town for work, I usually check in at least once a day with my parents and brother who are taking care of my kid, dogs, cats and horses. Plus they know where I am staying and have at least 2 phone numbers to reach me, should questions or problems arise. If I found out that CPS had taken my kid or AC had taken my critters, I do believe I would cut my trip short and come back to see to things.

Also if I was hanging on by my fingernails (which I have done) with no electricity etc., I don’t believe I’d be ordering fancy riding outfits, taking vacations half way across the country or acquiring any more horses for a while.

WTH is a Spanish Colonial horse anyway? Sounds like something on par with a Pintarabian or a Walkaloosa.

[Huntertwo]

@Tamara in TN;5151546

how can you tell that ? wondering?

Tamara in TN

Tamara,
Go to the main “Off Course” page. Look at the reply column, then click on the numbers in blue. It will tell you who posted and how many posts.

[sketcher]

[QUOTE=shawneeAcres;5151558]
I think, as I said before, that this may be a wake up call for her and that she should seek counseling, as well as looking into finacial assistance, and that she should seriously consider finding homes for her horses if she is unable, financially or physically to care for them (or for any other reason for that matter). And if she indeed had a theft, then that should be reported to the police. Altho am a bit surprised when I saw that thread insofaras I would think that would be the last thing I would be worried/upset about if I got home and found my animals gone! At any rate, I do not think I am being "nasty’ towards her, I am sympathetic as it sounds as if she needs some help, help that none of us can really provide. But I do think the choices made in this situation show someone that is not really thinking clearly and rationally[/QUOTE]

I’m not saying pain is an excuse but just because you have walked in your shoes does not mean you have walked in hers. And the fibro may very well have nothing to do with whatever is going on. All of the above may be true…or may not. No one really knows for sure do they?

And really, you don’t think you would be worried about having your tack ripped off? Talk about adding insult to injury. It’s not like PP is on this board spending all her time posting right now.

[JackieBlue]

@Bogey2;5151151

For those of you with the nasty man streaks. Shame on you for piling on. .

Okay, while I do not believe I’m guilty of piling on, I’m afraid I do have a bit of a “nasty man streak”. I LIKE 'em nasty!
Now back to your regularly scheduled train wreck

[Lostboy]

Wow… Oh wait…

[Lostboy]

… I wanted to be post 670… nice and even, but alas

and wow this thread is really amazing…and too lengthy to read in entirety(sp?) The pros the cons the spelling and punctuation police.

I hope the horses are recieving good care and the owner sorts her life out…
Looking barn pictures I would never considerhaving horses there much less multiplying them.

You folks sure like to spar with each other but laced in there are some thoughtful and thought provoking remarks… focused on issues not personalities.

fwiw I am not totally shocked that the pictues and the posts don’t seem to match up. I have been by another COTH posters stable and it also looked nothing like the web page, the horses (including boarders) were in poor condition and the general decay of the property was saddening. Not saying everybody does it because they dont, but really you can be whatever you want online… again hope thing work out for the animals.

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=Huntertwo;5151586]
Tamara,
Go to the main “Off Course” page. Look at the reply column, then click on the numbers in blue. It will tell you who posted and how many posts.[/QUOTE]

wellll…look at that…the things one learns randomly thank you!

Tamara in TN

[goeslikestink]

fibromylgia is a medical condtion of the body not of mind
if one was like that then one shouldnt own horses as horses are dependants and need people that can offer a hands on full time carer

yet at the same time if one has this condition as they say then one shouldnt be off going to other places without another persons assistant if its that bad
as it covers
pain, stiffness, bowel movement , urine movement, swallowing, fatigue, sleeplessness, anxiety, numbness tingling, heavy metal posioning wihich is congnitive dsyfuction, and depression

if ones liek that then they need asssitence day and night and are more likely to be incontinent
in which case

they would need help in assistence in lessons and going to weg

they would not be going on there own or taking off on there own

and they surely shouldnt have horses

the op is the owner of the horses and has a responsiblity to them and to the public
neglect cover many things as in human rights and animal rights when you have animals

you are legally bound when you have animals to mantian there up keep and welfare if one cannot due to an illness then one must realise that they are at fault and need to do what right for the animals concerned

and if they cant then sorry other people will notice and do it for you before its get worse which is whats happened

think - they horses have been removed and case is to be heard ok
imagine if the horses are left till winter as winter isnt here yet how would they fair then

whats with the water is it on and cant they get access to water elsewhere
other rubber maid was mentioned but was it full with clean or dirty water
drity water is undrinkable if left to go green or black which as your a country that has hot spells would go off within a day

these horses have been left for days - not one day - days big difference
people if notice will call authories fact of life
sort it now whilse they have a chance to gain weight and new homes and settled before winter comes, and let the aurthoires help sort her place out and get her the help she needs if deemed to be dependant upon others
for assistence
then she may have to be removed depending on th conditions of her own home which i understand has no electric

lets explain something - no electirc no boiler no hot water
that is a health issue - as in you need a boiler not just to stay warm but to stay clean

and just to add before one went to weg on brought a 400$ saddle jsut before they went as well
then what happened t o the water is it on or is it off as in the same with the electric which is off

stands to reason it would be off

if the horses have no water then one has to ask
has the water been cut off

horses wont eat hay very well if they are so thristy and water counts as most of horses bodyweight and the lack of it they can go down hill really fast

[Chief2]

Wireweiners, somewhere earlier it was posted that she flew in to the Boston area shortly after learning of this and spent the night with her parents before going back to Maine. There’s nothing that’s going to happen either way until the SPCA opens their doors tomorrow. They were closed for Columbus Day. Until then it’s all speculation and airing out the laundry. For all those tossing rocks and challenging PP to respond, i wouldn’t hold your breath. It would amaze me if she gets much past the first 5 pages!

What a toxic thread! I’m amazed this thing is still up! I went looking for it this morning, somehow must have missed it, and PM’ed the moderators thanking them for removing it. I’m sorry to see how wrong I was. This reminds me of a debacle that occurred on the h/j board sometime back that resulted in members being banned, new moderators being added and some of the rules being redrafted. My jaw dropped then at what was being flung about, and this time it’s pretty much the same. It is absolutely amazing how hateful people can be when they truly decide to vent their spleens. Sheesh…at least give the place time to open their doors before firing the next useless salvo. JMO.

[BaroquePony]

Posted by Lostboy:

There… I wanted to be post 670… nice and even

:lol:

Thanks for the comic releif :yes:

[Wayside]

[QUOTE=princessfluffybritches;5151541]

I would rather see this thread talk about “What went wrong”, and consider this thread a learning experience rather then a mud slinging snark-fest.

I have not read anything that shows said person to be blatantly (sp) cruel. Just someone that can’t understand that she got in “over her head” .[/QUOTE]

I agree, and thank you so much for sharing your story with us.

I also have Fibro, and while I certainly consider my animals well cared for, I’ll admit that figuring out what I’m capable of and adjusting my lifestyle has not been easy. This summer I was very grateful when one of the neighbors apparently got fed up with my weedy overgrown lawn when I was having a particularly bad flare, and instead of complaining, he just mowed my front lawn for me. No, I don’t expect the community at large to support my lifestyle, but gosh, someone lending a helping hand like that once in a while really makes things a lot easier.

[scheherazadetbmare]

[QUOTE=goeslikestink;5151619]
fibromylgia is a medical condtion of the body not of mind
if one was like that then one shouldnt own horses as horses are dependants and need people that can offer a hands on full time carer

yet at the same time if one has this condition as they say then one shouldnt be off going to other places without another persons assistant if its that bad
as it covers
pain, stiffness, bowel movement , urine movement, swallowing, fatigue, sleeplessness, anxiety, numbness tingling, heavy metal posioning wihich is congnitive dsyfuction, and depression

if ones liek that then they need asssitence day and night and are more likely to be incontinent
in which case

they would need help in assistence in lessons and going to weg

they would not be going on there own or taking off on there own

and they surely shouldnt have horses[/QUOTE]

I totally disagree. I am healthy but I know people with cancer and with other disabilities who have animals including horses and who take good care of their animals. Some take better care of their animals than do the lazy healthy people.
The question I ask is why did this happen last year and this year? Not a one time deal according to the linked newspaper article. If there are other issues besides finances, then someone, maybe her parents, maybe her friends, needs to intervene. I had a PM from someone who “knew” her for years on another board, and apparently this has been brewing for 12 yrs. So someone needs to step in and help her personally now that the animals have been seized. No excuse not to get help for your animals if you are broke and maybe physically unable to care for them, but what other people have posted about WEG, well, sounds like she could fix up things at home in the yard.
A lot of poor people have cleaner houses and yards and barns.
Someone needs to help her, and make sure that her animals are not returned to such conditions.

ETA I don’t think anyone on this thread has said she is an evil or cruel person, but a lot of people are shocked that her animals were living like this when she was posting from WEG.

[Luckydonkey]

There was a news story in Southern Oregon about a year or so ago about an abandoned pony at a house…it was all over Craigslist about this pony, what it looked like, where it was located, etc…A/C was called in, etc… It was not abandoned. Someone that did not like the family that owned it had posted the add… There have been other adds too,recently on my local craigslist for some free cows because someone was moving and could not take them wiht them… Had an address and a location, and the add said come and get them… Then the next day the owner is posting that they are NOT moving and the cows are NOT free, and if anyone does show up and take the cows they will be prosecuted for theft…Someone did that to them deliberatly. I just went on vacation for a week, and my horses are normally stalled at night, and out during the day. To make it easier on my non- horsie family members to take care of them for me while i was gone, i left them in my paddock with the run in shed and just had them toss their hay in over the fence morning and night and fill the water. It rained like hell, the paddock is a mess, and the horses were not groomed for a week. Arab mare had twisty witches knots in her mane, and my weanling hairy clyde filly was a mudball when I got back… Could have easily been a target for someone… I feel for PP.

[princessfluffybritch]

If someone with OCD in this situation is given donated fencing, wood, etc, it would probably end up being a good reason to get more horses.

[Rhyadawn]

[QUOTE=wireweiners;5151575]
WTH is a Spanish Colonial horse anyway? Sounds like something on par with a Pintarabian or a Walkaloosa.[/QUOTE]

http://www.rbefarm.com/Rainbows_End_Farm_2/Colonial_Spanish_Horses.html

DayDreamBeliever posts here often, and this is her farm.

[grayarabs]

The condition of PP’s horses did not warrant seizing them. So neighbors called AC but who contacted the media? The siezure made the local news. Then someone local to PP saw it and reported it here? Then for the whole horsey world to see? While she was gone - then to return to find her property had been burglarized? If I were PP I would feel so violated and hurt.

The first video report showed just the front of her property and the officers leading the horses from somewhere. The second video showed her pastures and pen where the horses were living. Obviously filmed the same day, but the video showing the pasture was shown the next day? A big difference in the initial impresssion given - that the horses were kept in a small area right by the street and her house.