Eye in the Sky
You wrote
“we don’t wish anything bad on PP, but we also want to see her horses cared for properly”.
that’s what should have been said a long time ago by the powers that be here on COTH and that should have ended it, in my opinion.
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I just cannot believe the Moderation Team on COTH has allowed this thread to go on and on and on.[/QUOTE]
:no: :no: :no:
Posting someone’s tax info, public record though it may be, is just beyond low. I am disgusted that anyone so much as entertained the thought, let alone went ahead with it. Since half of COTH has seen it though, for the record, that amount owed in back taxes isn’t exactly ten years’ delinquency. Unless property values and tax rates in Dedham are miniscule, even that '09 amount leads me to believe that payments have been made; she’s not been just ignoring the tax bill. And that PDF does not have any notation as to whether the people listed have made arrangements to pay, which I’d lay dollars to donuts at least some of them have.
And, though I know this will be a tragic revelation for the carrion-eaters here, I’ve got news for you (and this comes from the perspective of having worked for a small town in New England: no town is going to seize someone’s property for that amount. Not on this planet, not in this economy, and not under this legal system. Yes, technically speaking, they COULD - but it would cost them more than they are owed (just in the initial legal costs), plus then they’d own and be responsible for the property until it could be sold, and you may have noticed the market isn’t exactly rolling along right now. In the town I worked for we had a property-owner who owed $150,000 in back taxes and showed no inclination to pay, ever - and yet the only reason the town was even CONSIDERING taking the land was because they might be able to use it themselves. Otherwise it just wasn’t worth the time and money. And that’s an amount that’s orders of magnitude higher than what we are talking here.
Now, carry on with the lynching, because I know that, realistically, all the logic in the world won’t stop you.
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Ugh. Right before logging onto COTH today, I just paid our taxes on a piece of property we own. It was painful but our duty, bound by the law, as well as principle. I scanned through the thread after learning what I did about the picture my family had once laughed at (and now I am sickened of), and now see that the subject of this thread has turned to people not paying their property taxes. You know, I’d really had rather not paid MY property taxes as well, but sadly, I had to part with that chunk of change that I would have enjoyed using to pay off debt recently incurred by an older vehicle we’re trying to squeeze more milage out of. :sigh:
I am not saying this makes PP a “bad” person, but it certainly provides more insight to the situation. I do not care for the ripping some have done on this woman, regardless of what some of her poor decisions have been, but that does not mean I like what she has done.
I would venture to guess that the majority of those either reading or posting are not against PP herself, but rather against her behaviors; there is a rather big difference. Unfortunately, some ugly things have been said and alluded to, which then sets fire to anyone’s speech on either side - much like politics tends to do. I only wish that most here could be heard as saying “we don’t wish anything bad on PP, but we also want to see her horses cared for properly”. That concept seems to have drowned underneath the cat-fights and dramatic backdrops of certain individuals who have been rather, um, passionate about their “side”.[/QUOTE]
Well said.
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I’m entitled to state my opinion just as you are goeslikestink.
I haven’t said how I feel about the OP and her situation nor will I, but I would like to say that I am sort of appalled at the behavior of some the posters on this thread and I’m not one who is easily offended.
I’m just baffled by what the moderation staff feels is appropriate and inappropriate for discussion on COTH.[/QUOTE]
totally agree with you, i dont know why it still open either i was just saying perhaps its becuase no ones actually being offensive and that people are decusing it as a topic which you will always get a fore and against as an opnion
for me i know where i lay no one is saying they dont like pp
to be honest i hope she gets the help shes needs to sort her life out
as i look at it another way
shes a human with out warmth in her home - a boiler is a essentail lving item
or electricity as in for heat and for cooking and to keeping one self clean
if one cannot heat up hot water to stay clean as in no electric or boiler
then one has serious lviing conditions
horses are not humans so sort of come 2nd to ahuman but at the same time if you have them you must look after them but if one cant look after themselves properly then how do they look after the animals they have
so the horses were taken due to problems which is only the tip of the ice burg
as one wouldnt be able to afford vets and farriers etc let alone the fencing etc
like isad those thinking of building abarn and stuff isnt the way to go
you want to look at what the real problem is as in her home if she still has one as aparrantly owes taxes on toop of everything else
then you as true mates might like to find her somewhere else to live at a price she can afford as this lady might not have a home to go to when all said and done
so whos prepared to put there money where there mouth is
if shes made homeless and put her up for a term that might be longer than you think
in this situation you have to look at all angles of what could happen
hopefully it wont but she need help as in more help than one thinks
a book keeper would come handy, to striaghten her finances out rather than give her money to build a barn
I was looking to see if anything factual- even by the standards of “yellow journalism” had been published to update this situation, and I found this:
http://www.co.hancock.me.us/commissioners/meetings/agenda2010/agenda_090710.html
which I took to mean that Jean Marie actually had gainful employment of some kind, which I believe we understood to be the case. I hope she still has it!
Tidy, I think you might have lost this:
http://http://nickobeano.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/cheese_oh_cheese.jpg
:winkgrin:
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Eye in the Sky
You wrote
“we don’t wish anything bad on PP, but we also want to see her horses cared for properly”.
that’s what should have been said a long time ago by the powers that be here on COTH and that should have ended it, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Ditto this. I haven’t followed this thread much, just checked in here and there to see if it was still alive. Would just like to remind everyone of the college kid who recently jumped off a bridge after his personal business was smeared all over the internet. Unless these animals were truly abused/neglected, which hasn’t seemed proven yet, the owner does not deserve the abuse on here.
I’m sure the kids who posted that video of the college roommate never thought their actions would directly contribute to a suicide. Then again, I’m sure they just didn’t think, period.
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However I’ve just looked up your profile to see if there was anything there that gave me a clue as to why you should be such an ardent defender of the illegal, cruel, inappropriate. I wonder why you think it’s perfectly o.k. to break the law, run up debts, ignore the blinding bleeding obvious.
in case you missed it (no, wait, you did) there are degrees of law breaking
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Someone needs to tell you and it might as well be me:
Is that so?
You’re not doing PP any favours at all! Not at all!
how come?
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If you really want to support PP you’d be better off getting on with it and if you really do want to post then it might well be preferable to acknowledge that there’s every right to be concerned and to be a serious and concerted effort to put things right and evidence that conditions are a lot better than what we currently know to be the case.
so you do agree there is a lot we don’t know.
Good, I thought my crystal ball was the only one broken
I tell you what. You’re her advocate and chief defender so just tell us instead of defending the indefensible!
Even Jeffrey Dahmer was entitled to a defense.
What do you prefer smacked and mortally injured by a truck and left with broken bones and bleeding till someone arrives to shoot you or starved? Don’t answer that. It was a rhetorical question!
What I prefer has little to do with the nature of legal proceedings, an agency’s due process.
If it stinks it has to be addressed.
Public information and contextual. Particularly in the light of folks rallying to throw money and help at the problem.
so what does it help for a group of 20.000 strangers, many not even on the same continent (or planet) to know it, no, let me rephrase that: Why bother to dig up that information, no matter how public, to spread it, even more publicly, to people who have no interest in the case other than the amusement or self righteous gratification that they are not in her shoes.
You obviously don’t have any respect for legislators, the law or the legal process. I wonder why!
I wonder how you come to this conclusion. Because I gave an example for the different degrees of unlawfulness? Or how well meant laws turn into a perversion of justice?
Heresay and anecdote and supposition. No facts whatsoever.
Aight, then read the newspaper clip about this case. The AC officer almost admitted to it in direct quote (not that that reporter couldn’t have messed it up.) Then, since you enjoy this sort of mayhem, read the comments.
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How about, instead of personal attacks you point out the errors of my way. Like I said, not with assumptions, but maybe a bit more substance.
We reiterate that this topic does not violate our posting policies and, as it would be permissible if concerning a stranger, is still permissable when concerning a member of the forum.
That said, as emotions continue to run high and we’ve had to intervene again on this thread, we’re going to close it for the time being as battle lines have seemingly been drawn behind which are the {hyperbolically paraphrasing} “meanies” vs. “bleeding hearts” going around and around the same counterpoints with little new information. So everyone, please back to your corners and take a breath.
If there are significant new developments in the case, someone please contact us, so we can contain any further discussion to one thread.
Thanks and as before, we continue to wish PP and her animals the best.
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Wrong thread, sorry
