Many times a saddle tends to move forward because the rider is not sitting in the correct place and so it slides forward, and sometimes because the horses are not moving uphill. With very young horses, who have not yet developed (enough) muscle (takes about three months of correct work), a foregirth will solve the problem.
Truthiness, I think you forgot to add that you were, in fact, actually able to sell your saddle, while AMDressage hasn’t been so fortunate. 
No, ESG, I did not forget. Please see my first post in this thread where I say that I sold the saddle.
No, I meant that that fact wasn’t brought home to AMDressage. I got it, the first time round. Congrats. 
I haven’t posted in quite a while- in fact went away due to the same tone of posts from folks like “Truthiness”. Still the same old nastiness… tsk, tsk,
Sounds like AMD started out thrilled to death and then got horribly disappointed by saddler. Doesn’t make her a liar or in any way dishonest. I hate to see someone get attacked so viciously for sharing a bad experience, which is what many of us do when we feel upset and need a little support. That should be the spirit of these boards.
I’m divorced now, but when I got engaged, wedding plans, married- even had kids! I was gushing and glowing for a long time, till I gained experience with said “ex”- then divorced said “ex” and have absolutely NOTHING nice to say about him, as just about all my beautiful dreams, hopes and plans turned out to be a mess- and very expensive and disappointing. I think the divorce rate is a staggering greater than 60% of all marriages, so if so many marriages can go bad, and one changes opinions, don’t you think it’s possible to change opinions of other relationships- like that with a saddler that dissappoints?? I know I have bought saddles, ridden in them a short while and decided they weren’t what I thought they would be. Just bought a new saddle for a horse I’ve had for many years. I also think it’s rude to name names and not include your own. Who might you be, truthfully, if you don’t mind naming yourself, as well?? Please don’t be so unkind.
And thanks to ESG for the polite post.
Let’s offer each other good advice and not be nasty to each other. We all learn as we go, hopefully.
Sorry if my snarky tone bothers you, HRSPWR.
Disingenuity and preachiness bother me.
So we’re even.
I find that criticism usually comes in direct proportion to one’s vehemence in defending/extolling the virtues of a certain entity. Perhaps if AMDressage (or was she ACMiller in that incarnation? It’s hard to keep track. :p)hadn’t been so public an advocate of Trilogy saddles, and then so vehement a detractor, the criticism wouldn’t have been so harsh?
Just a thought.
rider making the saddle move forward
I have had two trainers ride the mare in the saddle and it has migrated forward on both individuals. Therefore, I have removed the variable of just me and the saddle. I must conclude that the saddle does not fit the horse.
Here is another tidbit… I have borrowed an old County Competitor saddle that seems to be perfect…
JME, but I think ideayoda is way off base this time. I’ve never seen a rider that could make a properly fitted saddle move forward on a horse. Either it fits, or it doesn’t. Unless the rider has the seatbones/ass of Schwartzenegger, it ain’t gonna happen.
I absolutely agree that the only real solution for a migrating saddle is fit correction. Some can be adjusted but most must be replaced. Foregirths are gruesome tools that are very rarely used these days. Once you’ve seen the scars of horses that were subjected to them, you’ll understand why.
I have never seen scars created by a foregirth, but then the foregirths I have seen are very padded and look much like a saddle padding. Their intention was only for a few months while a (young) horses body developed (muscles) behind the shoulder area. And we have to look at where (most) people place a (dressage) saddle (which is way too far forward) in at least a third to half of most riders (at the average show).
With all the padding of saddles today to be sure they do have be more properly fitted to be sure, they are not any as longer as flexible a fit.
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The situation may in fact be the same. What I take issue with, Amanda (aka Beau_Cheval_Rouge aka essentialEQST aka ACMiller… and these are only the names I know ) is your representation of the facts. You are a revisionist—which is a nicer word than liar.
[B]The situation is the same. You got a custom saddle that didn’t fit you, and I’m sure you waited a long time to get it and were just as disappointed and upset as I am, when yours didn’t work out as you had hoped.
Yeefrigginha, you know my name… big deal?? Am I supposed to feel threatened or upset that you know who I am? I’m not, I’ve got nothing to hide, and haven’t hidden who I am. OH! And how incrediably sweet/creepy(?) of you to remember my usernames. Wish I could get my BCR name back… it’d be so much easier to keep the same username for more than one or two places. [/B]
Here on Coth, you state that you hate the saddle, that they sent you the wrong saddle, that it never worked for you, that the saddle fitter misled you, and that you cannot get help from the sales rep or the company.
I do hate my saddle now. I waited so long to find a saddle that I was reassured time and time again that it’d fit, it’d be great, I’d never ride in another brand again, blahblahblahblahblahhh. It doesn’t fit me, the fitter DID mislead me, and neither the rep or the company will help me. This is all true, and I’ve tried contacting them and have always had trouble getting Laurie (the rep) to return ANY kind of message. My mother AND I both spoke with Debbie Witty at Trilogy and she basically said she wouldn’t help me either. The saddle I received is NOT the saddle I ordered, upon research and asking other saddlers/reps, and comparing the same saddle that was also supposed to have a forward flap… so I paid $150.00 extra for an option I didn’t receive, and was told that yes it does have a forward flap but it in fact does not? So I was lied to and stolen from. Or what do YOU call paying $150.00 for a contracted item that isn’t supplied?
However, your experience was described rather differently on the UDBB. From the day you took a test ride until the day it arrived, you raved about the saddle and the buying experience. One test ride, and you immediately started whoring it out on the boards as the best saddle EVER! You started your own threads with the sole purpose, it seemed, of recommending the saddle, the saddle fitter, the entire purchase experience. Ad nauseum, you posted about your love affair with the saddle. Then the saddle arrived and you posted again, gushing about how it changed your riding. You even gushed when you Trilogy brand leather products arrived. “Proud user of Trilogy Saddles” is an amusing signature line considering how you “hate” your saddle. I also recall that you posted on your own website that you were considering repping the line yourself.
[B]I haven’t posted on the UDBB since February other than the odd PM to certain members every now and then. Your point? If I haven’t been posting on the UDBB since February, there wouldn’t be any recent posts about my situation, as I’ve stated here on COTH, now would there? I didn’t WHORE it out, I was excited that I thought I’d found something that would work, and “YAY” I wanted people to know about it. These boards are supposed to be informational! What if someone hadn’t ridden in a Trilogy, but was thinking about it—they wanted to know other people’s thoughts and opinions before even bothering to? Well, my posts could have helped someone in that decision.
I don’t deny any of my actions prior to realizing it didn’t fit, and no one would help me with it. I wouldn’t be so mad about this entire ordeal if they’d made and shipped me the saddle that I wanted (19" forward and LONG flap), flocked it to fit my horse, not fed me bullshit lines when I had clear concerns and questions THE ENTIRE TIME, BUT WAS REASSURED IT WOULD END UP ALRIGHT.
If they’d of made the saddle I ordered and shipped it to me, allowed me to try it out and make sure it was right before washing their hands of it, returned messages, flocked it correctly, etc. I wouldn’t be on here standing my ground and stating my experiences, opinions, and situation. Do you think it’s fair of me to sit by and read posts of other Trilogy owners who’ve been treated similar to me, and go “oh darn… if only they’d of known what had happened to me.” Hell no, that’s not fair and I think people have a right to know when a company refuses to do good by their product. What if instead of a saddle it was a pacemaker and it wasn’t right, and OOPS patient has a near-death experience because the pacemaker was incorrect… don’t you think someone along the lines that had to do with that pacemaker would be held responsible to fix the situation as best they can?
Yes, that was my signature in my profile, and I no longer feel that way because of the events after what I thought was a positive thing, turned the ever-so-well-known, “Saddle Fit Hell”.
I never once have said I wanted to rep Trilogys, or any other saddle brand. Yes, that’d probably be a good skill to have, but there’s already a Trilogy rep in this area… and I quite frankly don’t have the time to take on such a task. Since you know me so well apparently, or spend what seems like a lot of time stalking me and obsessing over what I do and don’t do, say and don’t say… you’d know that I’m taking a full course load of college classes, planning my wedding, riding both my horses, working two jobs, working on my house, spending time with my fiancé and friends, etc. etc… Please tell me where the hell I’d stick in wanting to rep a friggin’ saddle line!? :rolleyes: [/B]
Anyone can have a bad saddle buying experience. I’d guess most of us who have purchased big ticket tack have a similar story. But most of us don’t misrepresent history to online audiences and then get huffy when someone notices discrepancies in the story.
I haven’t misrepresented history, anyone can go back and search for past posts just as you did. I’m not huffy, but I’m sure as hell not going to allow myself to be a doormat for you or anyone else. You and anyone else that think they can “one up” other people don’t threaten or scare me, and I refuse to be berated and not defend or stick up for myself. Surely you’ve seen those big brass balls I carry around with me? 
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I find that criticism usually comes in direct proportion to one’s vehemence in defending/extolling the virtues of a certain entity. Perhaps if AMDressage (or was she ACMiller in that incarnation? It’s hard to keep track. :p)hadn’t been so public an advocate of Trilogy saddles, and then so vehement a detractor, the criticism wouldn’t have been so harsh?
Just a thought. [/QUOTE]
Ya live and ya learn… I’m still young and most learn from mistakes, unless they’re lucky enough not to make them in the first place, or too thick not to realize the ‘moral of the story’ and learn from it.
Moral of this story, learn to ride bareback and then you don’t have to deal with saddle sales reps and the lot! :lol:
I’m starting to realize why everyone dreads the awful “saddle fit hell.” :eek:
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Sorry if my snarky tone bothers you, HRSPWR.
Disingenuity and preachiness bother me.
So we’re even.[/QUOTE]
I think you have snarky confused with being a bullying bitch?
no one will have any trouble figuring out the two of you need a BIG TIME OUT FROM YOUR MOMMIES!
Sure, ESG, a saddle CAN be perfectly fitted and still shift forward.
If the horse pulls
if he’s on the forehand
if he’s fat
if he has low withers and/or a high croup, ie, if he’s built downhill or ‘moves downhill’
if he’s built with a ‘narrow round’ (tubelike) back lacking muscle
has weak hind quarters
doesn’t carry behind
doesn’t bend the joints of his hip, stifle, hock
the rider ‘works’ his seat too much
slips off to one side and rights himself over and over
if the rider gets his shoulders behind his hips and ‘urges’ the horse by working his seat
the rider pumps his shoulders and upper body back and forth
it simply being a green horse
the saddle is placed too far back in the first place, and is just going forward to where it belongs!
the girth is incorrectly adjusted or is a type that is unsuitable for the horse
the girth is not retightened after riding for a short while
the saddle pads are raising the saddle up too far off the back
ETC ETC ETC
If the horse has no withers, a thick barrel, and a forward girth slot…
To the OP. Many apologize for hijacking your thread.
SLC, I don’t need any time out, I need a saddle that fits me and my horse, and I don’t need bullys like Truthiness/Fleece/Ethos trying to belittle my situation when they have had similar experiences themselves.
didn’t mom ever teach you to go play with the other children instead?
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didn’t mom ever teach you to go play with the other children instead?[/QUOTE]
No, I was always too busy at the barn riding the ponies. :winkgrin:
This is especially appropriate, given that HRSPWR is AMDressage’s mom! :lol:
