Safe Sport Update

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@pluvinel

In yesterday’s Wall Street Journal…Neomi Rao Gets Kavanaughed
https://www.wsj.com/articles/neomi-rao-gets-kavanaughed-11548722089

So…just showing that “kavanaugh” seems to have become a verb in the popular lexicon.

Let’s look closely at exactly what’s happening here.

She also appears to lack of moral integrity, victim blames women who are survivors of sexual assault, and she believes that being gay is a popular fad.

Take a look at the rest of her ideas and opinions.

There’s a big difference between comparing two things, or two people, whose behaviors are brought to light, And someone who, like the father in the example, is simply giving his daughters friend a ride home.

[Tyrus_Mom]

I find it interesting that the people who judge Kavanaugh guilty with zero evidence don’t mind that many years age while practicing criminal law Hillary defended a child rapist and her argument was that the 12 y.o child asked for it, asked to have her insides damaged so bad she could never have children when she became an adult. Hillary got the rapist acquitted. Somehow that is acceptable to your moral standards. I consider that to be sick.

[Silverbridge]

@Tyrus' Mom

I find it interesting that the people who judge Kavanaugh guilty with zero evidence …

I feel sorry for Tyrus.

[TheMoo]

And there goes the thread.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

How the heck did you go there from here.

Mods, perhaps shut this down as we apparently can’t play well in the sandbox.

[pluvinel]

You guys are way too easily distracted…

Back to our regularly scheduled program…the January 28 issue of COTH (p. 99) has an article saying Safe Sport should be required for everyone at shows including non-members of USEF.

That will put a greater damper on show participants than the 63% MFS rule…

[CanteringCarrot]

I get it, I really do, the whole SafeSport thing. We don’t really have anything like that here and I think it would flop due to internet issues. Internet is not so fast or accessible. I think that SafeSport relies heavily on people having proper access to the world wide web, and speedy access at that. That is a major fault of the system. Then to come up with no alternative for a program that you are insisting is so important and for the better of the sport kind of baffles me.

I don’t think it is a bad idea, education and awareness are a good thing, but implementation needs work.

…from my outsider’s view.

[ladyj79]

@CanteringCarrot

I get it, I really do, the whole SafeSport thing. We don’t really have anything like that here and I think it would flop due to internet issues. Internet is not so fast or accessible. I think that SafeSport relies heavily on people having proper access to the world wide web, and speedy access at that. That is a major fault of the system. Then to come up with no alternative for a program that you are insisting is so important and for the better of the sport kind of baffles me.

I don’t think it is a bad idea, education and awareness are a good thing, but implementation needs work.

…from my outsider’s view.

Yes you do, unless you live in a country that doesn’t send Athletes to Olympic games.

Safesport training is mandated by the IOC to NGBs, not just to the United States, or USEF.

[CanteringCarrot]

@ladyj79

Yes you do, unless you live in a country that doesn’t send Athletes to Olympic games.

Safesport training is mandated by the IOC to NGBs, not just to the United States, or USEF.

But what I mean is that the average rider that is staying within the country here, is not effected, yeah? I’m thinking of our internal competitions. On the Olympic/International level was not my thought, but I was not terribly clear on that.

I don’t know, I shouldn’t have commented.

Edit: The EU does have Pro Safe Sport though.

[ladyj79]

@CanteringCarrot

But what I mean is that the average rider that is staying within the country here, is not effected, yeah? I’m thinking of our internal competitions. On the Olympic/International level was not my thought, but I was not terribly clear on that.

I don’t know, I shouldn’t have commented.

Edit: The EU does have Pro Safe Sport though.

Anyone who participates in national federation shows, not only FEI shows, has to complete. It’s on the national federations. Here that’s USEF, there I’m presuming it’s BEF. No one here just showing in local or club level is obligated to take SS, but all people everywhere at the national level must complete for teams to be sent to Olympics, horse sport or otherwise.

[atlatl]

@pluvinel

You guys are way too easily distracted…

…

Squirrel!

[netg]

@ladyj79

Anyone who participates in national federation shows, not only FEI shows, has to complete. It’s on the national federations. Here that’s USEF, there I’m presuming it’s BEF. No one here just showing in local or club level is obligated to take SS, but all people everywhere at the national level must complete for teams to be sent to Olympics, horse sport or otherwise.

No, you are wrong. We now have to take the training due to the USEF interpretation of the law Congress passed. They choose not to try to define different roles, but it is not because of an Olympic rule.

[CanteringCarrot]

Ok, I have to look into this and feel seriously dumb. I and other friends/acquaintances/stable mates, competed at recognized shows and/or national level shows last year, and are gearing up to do so again this year, and have not heard of Safe Sport or anything like Safe Sport with BEF. I really thought it was just a USA thing.

[Moderator_1]

We removed a political tangent to keep the thread on track.
Thanks,
Mod 1

[alicen]

@CanteringCarrot

Ok, I have to look into this and feel seriously dumb. I and other friends/acquaintances/stable mates, competed at recognized shows and/or national level shows last year, and are gearing up to do so again this year, and have not heard of Safe Sport or anything like Safe Sport with BEF. I really thought it was just a USA thing.

Correct. S.534 - Protecting Young Victims from Sexual Abuse and Safe Sport Authorization Act of 2017 is a U.S. Congressional law. See Equibrit’s post # 62.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@netg

Unfortunately the email from them didn’t have a copy of the text of the email I sent, but the subject was “alternative methods for taking SafeSport Training” and yes, I asked for alternatives ways due to connectivity issues. Same with my GMO’s request to the USEF - we have many rural areas where high speed internet is simply not available. While Starbucks internet wouldn’t handle it at any Starbucks I’ve ever been to (it struggles with youtube, and this requires higher bandwidth than youtube), most of those people who struggle are also outside of a reasonable range to get to a Starbucks, too.

The USEF currently does not accept any other method of taking the training. Just because I can manage it despite living in a location with available high speed internet doesn’t mean I am incapable of understanding that other members of the GMO would have more difficulty. I’ve also been to Virginia horse country and been places which are rural enough to not have high speed internet. Rolling hills and mountains are not conducive to good internet availability.

This is why I asked if someone can point to the supposedly existing offline option for taking the training, as neither USEF nor SafeSport volunteered it - but if there’s evidence it exists, I will lobby USEF to get it allowed.I feel as if training to help more people become aware of potential abuse is a VERY GOOD thing - and it is absolutely asinine that our organizations are requiring it without ensuring all members can take it without a hardship for some.

For the record, in response to this:

I too fear that, as we saw it happened for too long with Nassar. Too often, there is shame and hiding of accusations instead of their being fully investigated. I don’t want to see innocent women, girls, boys, whomever, feeling as if they have to keep it in, then being run over and no honest investigation taking place as the abuser gets a pass on the behavior.

This is why I would ALWAYS go to the police, who are required to open an investigation, if I feared someone was suffering abuse - and why I lack trust any organization who is supposed to be looking out for our kids and doesn’t have actual trained law enforcement running it.

@mod1 please edit the quote contained in this post as it also references the political tangent and the definition which caused the outcry. Thank you.

[netg]

@right horse at the right time

@mod1 please edit the quote contained in this post as it also references the political tangent and the definition which caused the outcry. Thank you.

I did it - hadn’t gone back to check and expected it would have been edited when other changes were made.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@netg

I did it - hadn’t gone back to check and expected it would have been edited when other changes were made.

[Christa_P]

Note: not a USEF member and I don’t compete at recognized shows so I don’t need the training.

But for high speed internet, most towns have libraries equipped with high speed internet. They are free and generally accessible.

[trubandloki]

@Christa P

But for high speed internet, most towns have libraries equipped with high speed internet. They are free and generally accessible.

If you happen to able to get there during the strange hours they are open.
At least that is the case of the libraries in my part of the world. They are only open hours I am at work.