Santa Anita- do you think somethings up?

To be fair, horses get hurt. They could run on cotton balls and get hurt.

So it’s hard to tell what’s normal and what’s part of the whole problem they’ve experienced this winter. Santa Anita took entries today for Friday. There are still a lot of Ls there

http://www.equibase.com/static/entry/SA032919USA-EQB.html

I checked the overnight because that is usually where the good stuff is

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbHorsemenAreaDownloadAction.cfm?sn=ONSC-SA-20190329D

The only thing that is unusual is this:

“ATTENTION TRAINERS: Beginning March 25th, you must submit your workout slips 48 hours prior to the scheduled work.”

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I think what you say does make perfect sense.

A question I would have is what would SA need to do or what events/activities would need to happen before you would consider training a maiden claimer there?

That is a great question that frankly I am glad I don’t actually have to answer for real. I guess they would have to find a problem and demonstrate that they have definitely fixed it. It’s the uncertainty that I couldn’t live with.

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Bisphosphonates, and more specifically off-label use of Tildren, are one of the many things being looked at. Over the past few years, veterinarians have voiced serious concerns over it’s increased use in yearling prep, as well as not even having an educated guess as to use percentages in that group. It’s not even a drug where (in bone) known to look for post mortem testing. As reported, SA is not the only track seeing increased breakdown. I think we’ll see much more being said about bisphosphonates and the penalty for use.

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Laurierace, fair enough answer. :slight_smile:

I totally understand not wanting to risk a valued horse (I’m not necessarily thinking just in dollars but the personal/emotion) on a surface with the current history that SA has. I’m with you, glad I am not a trainer normally based there trying to get horses including KD possibles ready to race… where to train and where to race (once SA starts up again).

Was Gunmetal Gray’s condylar fracture during a breeze because of the surface or in spite of it?

I guess what would make me willing to take the risk is some sort of report from the surface specialists that identified not just things they made “better” but what underlying issues caused the changes and preferably what they found that they really think was the problem…

Yeah, whips, Lasix, drugs, etc are all good ideas to look at changing, banning, etc but still, for me, feels like smoke and mirrors for why horses at SA, particularly on the main track keep breaking down. And that same fine line if a post “fix” breakdown happens, such as the last filly, was the breakdown inevitable or due to the ongoing problem or some combination.

It’s a very very low percentage, if it’s being used for yearling prep at all. Biophosphates hit the market with warnings, and vets have know for years not to use them in young horses.

As discussed by Kenneth Marcella, DVM, in May 2014, the FDA’s Center for Veterinary Medicine licensed the bisphosphonates Tildren (tiludronate disodium) and Osphos (clodronate disodium), which are “intended to control the clinical signs of navicular syndrome.” Prior to this time, tiludronate disodium had been used as a treatment for lameness in multiple locations in horses, but in May 2014, its use in the United States was restricted to treat navicular disease. Clodronate disodium was a new drug, so at the time it had no previous history for its use.”

http://www.dvm360.com/bisphosphonates-dense-issue-equine-veterinary-care?pageID=2

They’ve known for YEARS that it’s not a good choice for young race horses. There is NOTHING but rumors and anecdotal evidence (which is not real evidence) that it’s even being used.

@Haymaker - where are your stats on “increased use in yearling prep” when everyone knows it’s not good for young horses? Which consignors? Which vets?

All three major sales companies just banned biophosphates for sales horses. It would be up to the buyer to test and if positive they could opt to rescind the sale so not a big punishment but it’s a start.

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Gunmetal Gray https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/232694/gunmetal-grays-surgery-successful-outlook-unknown

Link: https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/232688/sale-companies-ban-off-label-use-of-bisphosphonates

Since I’m a bit out of the biophosphates loop, how long after administering the last dose/treatment does it stay in the body and/or in the bone where it would be test-able?

Said they can test for it about 100 days out max. Unfortunately the effects can last indefinitely, maybe forever.

The hardest thing going forward is going to be the wondering about every single injury.

Even in checking bone… if a horse was treated, anything to test for further out than 100 days?

Kinda depressing if it can perhaps impact bone for longer than that (6-12 months maybe) but no way to test for it.

I personally don’t think biophosphates are the root cause of the problems at SA but seems to me that steps that are being taken to address this with off-label uses is far more useful than looking at whips and Lasix with respect to overall horse and bone health.

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The possible ban of the use of the crop:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/more/la-sp-santa-anita-jockeys-whip-20190327-story.html

The article is only available to subscribers.

I’m not a subscriber and was able to read it.

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Sorry you can’t access the story. I think you get something like 4 free stories before their firewall goes up.

Those of you that know more than I do - please chime in. I’ll try to summarize. The proposal would be to ban the use of the crop entirely vs the current limitation of use. The article did point out that there is no evidence that use of the crop played a role in any of the SA horse deaths. It discussed how the crop is not used in Europe. Various professionals were quoted stating that sometimes you need to keep the horse focused. That, despite padding, horses do get welts. No final determination has been made.

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So is dressage next?

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It was four years ago that American Pharoah made horse racing the biggest story in sports, if only for one weekend, when he became the first horse to win the Triple Crown in nearly four decades.

It was an accomplishment that never would have been realized had he not won the first of those races, the Kentucky Derby. And that victory may have never happened had jockey Victor Espinoza not used his riding crop — the more genteel name for a whip — at least 30 times on the horse down a furious stretch run. American Pharoah won by one length.

“I don’t honestly know if I would have won without it,” Espinoza said. “It just encourages them to go forward and [keep their mind focused.] It’s really little more than something that makes noise.”

Whether a whip can be used on horses racing at Santa Anita and Golden Gate Fields will be decided when the California Horse Racing Board meets in Arcadia on Thursday morning to discuss reforms proposed by Belinda Stronach, chief executive of The Stronach Group, which owns both tracks. Stronach made the recommendations after 22 horses died at Santa Anita between Dec. 26 and March 5, when it was shut down for racing. The meet is scheduled to resume Friday.

The use of a whip has not been connected to any of the catastrophic injuries. Stronach’s proposal would prohibit its use except in cases of safety, such as a horse not keeping a straight line and putting itself or another horse in danger. A majority of jockeys are against the proposal.

“We’ve been in discussions with TSG on a compromise that would be in the best interests for our industry,” said Terry Meyocks, president and chief executive of the Jockeys’ Guild.

Racing experts discuss the future of the sport after rash of horse deaths at Santa Anita
MAR 20, 2019 | 3:30 PM

The compromise, according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations but not authorized to comment, said it deals with a modified or restricted use of the arm, akin to shortening one’s stride.

Opinions on how much the whip hurts a horse are inconclusive. More certain is that the optics and sounds of a horse being struck as it seemingly runs its hardest at the end of a race is a public relations nightmare.

Mike Smith, who rode Justify to the Triple Crown last year, told The Guardian on Wednesday that the whip helps “a horse to focus when you need it, and a cue to move forward when you need it.”

Smith, like some of the top jockeys in Southern California, won’t be around for the track’s reopening, instead riding for $35 million in purses in Dubai this weekend. Leading rider Joel Rosario, Flavien Prat and Joe Talamo will also be in Dubai.

“If you look at these things, it’s like the Nerf bats that kids buy,” Smith said Wednesday in Dubai. “They just make a bit of a noise and it cues [the horse] to move forward and stay focused. All it takes is a fifth of second to lose your focus and then you lose the race.”

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Today’s whip is shorter, wider and softer than those used in the past, when some horses exited races with welts and bruises.

“It’s definitely changed since I first started to ride as an [apprentice],” the 46-year-old Espinoza said. “The whole technology has changed, and how to use it, and how it’s made. The new ones just basically make noise.”

However, a 2012 independent study released by the Australian-based Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals found that 83% of whip marks left visual indentations and 64% of the time the unpadded part of the whip struck the horse.

A more recent Australian study shows that 74% of people oppose the use of whips. And 87% who watch or bet on the sport say they would continue to do so if whips were not allowed.

Norway outlawed the whip on horses 3 and older in 1982. Jockeys there believe that racing has not been impacted and would not use a whip even if it was allowed.

In California, a jockey can use the whip three times in succession and then must wait for the horse to respond before using it again. Violations result in a $100 fine that escalates with each subsequent infraction. In New York, a horse can be struck five times. Under the new proposal, a horse that is whipped may face disqualification. [IMG2=JSON]{“data-align”:“none”,“data-size”:“full”,“src”:"https://www.latimes.com/resizer/vfJG00bYzgaJxpavLPhx-RobxZQ=/415x311/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/VWDJC3PSEJCJ7NLYZKVY4Y5YS4.jpg)

Santa Anita will reopen March 29 after track reaches deal over medication
MAR 16, 2019 | 8:15 PM

“It’s going to be up to the jockeys to decide,” said Ron Anderson, the agent for Rosario. “[Management] needs to understand not all horses run freely; they need to be coaxed along. They need to be tapped to get their attention. But I’m the first believer that you never want someone flailing on them. Modifying the number of strikes or the way [a horse is hit] is certainly worth discussion.”

Kerry Thomas of THT Bloodstock, who studies horse psychology and kinesiology and is an expert in herd dynamics, also favors a compromise.

“Your horse should want to run and you shouldn’t use the crop for anything more than subtle urging,” Thomas said. "Eradicating it completely can be dangerous and that does nobody any good, including the horse. You are not going to beat greatness into a horse. It’s easy to do a lot of psychological damage to a herd animal.

“Sometime horses don’t respond to the environment as fast as you want them to. So adding trauma doesn’t do anyone any good. A horse can feel a fly land on its butt, so it certainly can feel the soft pass of a padded whip that is barely touching it. If there is a common-sense limited restricted use, that is the safest way to go.”

My “favorite” part of the article is where they use horse racing in Norway to support the argument for no whips. Because we all know how much impact Norwegian horse racing has had on the entire industry. (spoiler alert: the answer is none) It’s about as pertinent as telling the NFL how they should manage safety after watching some elementary kids play flag football at recess. I’m pretty sure what the Norwegians actually said was, “our horses were already slow; taking the whip away didn’t make them any slower.”

:lol:

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I know how much people like slippery slope arguments but this is one of them that I think has merit. When industry regulators start consulting people who couldn’t spell “horse” if you spotted them the H and the R about rules on how to ride in safety critical scenarios like races, it is the beginning of the end for whip use for the rest of us and potentially a major change in how we train and ride, at least in public. If the whip or crop is not appropriate for racehorses, how is it OK for eventers, for hunter jumpers, for dressage horses, for trail riders, for drivers and for pleasure horses?

And if the whip is not OK, why are spurs OK? If optics rule the day, is it OK to discipline a horse in front of an audience when he balks at a jump? Maybe a horse that doesn’t want to do it, shouldn’t be made to do it? How can it be a partnership if the horse is not coequal?

Don’t laugh. There are people out there who think what we do is enslaving another animal and if they had their way, no one would ride. If you like horses so much, why don’t you just walk them and pet them. Catering to their perceptions is impossible and still have equine sport. Racing is just the canary in public opinion.

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