Santa Anita- do you think somethings up?

Maybe with veterinarian recommendations? How that would work isn’t clear.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

I assume that for rads taken for sales like Keeneland that the owner/consignor signs a release. I wonder who pays for the pre-auction rads… Keeneland or owner/consignor since normally, party who pays for radiographs owns them and vet won’t release without the “owner” of the rads releasing them.

Wonder if the track would have a similar release if the owner gets tagged for any imaging done prior to racing and the owner has to pay for imaging costs.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

I also noticed that SA is back to racing down the hill. :slight_smile:

Owners pay for presale rads and buyer’s vet charges the buyers to view them and give their opinion.

@Laurierace

Just had no idea how pre-auction rads were handled. Sounds like owners must have some sort of release they sign to allow the vet shooting the rads (and getting paid for them) to let a buyer vet view them.

When I was selling one of my horses many years ago, buyer paid for rads, found something their vet didn’t like and wouldn’t let me or my vet see the rads for future prospective buyers :frowning: That buyer backed out and we did have to disclose but really didn’t know what the exactly issue was :frowning: Did find someone who was willing to take the risk and she was very happy with him :slight_smile:

Xrays always belong to the person who paid for them so no release required

Maybe I am missing something :slight_smile:

If I, as owner, pay for the pre-auction rads then I own the images? If a buyer’s vet wants to review them, don’t I have to “release” them to the buyer’s vet so that vet can then charge what they want to render an opinion to their buyer?

Isn’t this how it works?

The whole reason you take pre sale xrays is so the buyer’s vet can view them so not releasing them isn’t something anyone would ever do. They place all the xrays in the repository which is a bank of computers in a room that only vets can go in.
The alternative is your horse gets passed over for not having a full set of xrays on file or your horse gets xrayed a hundred times by the prospective buyers if they want him bad enough that they don’t care that there are no xrays on file.

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I (as owner) pay for the xrays. The consignor, the vet, and I all know that they are being taken to put in the respository at the sales venue. We’ve all agreed to this. So in a sense, I’ve released them for that purpose. Once they’re in the repository, any potential buyer’s vet (or any vet, really) can look at them.

If I want them back after the sale is over, I can ask to have them returned to me. (never have). Occasionally a buyer will ask for them (I tell the sales company to hand them over and they do). Once I, as buyer, asked for the xrays on a yearling I bought (didn’t have a problem getting them.).

Oddly, no one really worries much about who owns the xrays. We all worry about the validity of the pictures (and the vet sheets) instead.

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Thanks LaurieB. Explains I think my poorly worded question. :slight_smile:

I would also be thinking that who owns the images for the auction sales (esp high end) isn’t a big thing as so many buyers and sellers and sometimes swapping roles depending on the horse. Figured there had to be some sort of release of some sort from the seller/owner. I’d agree… if I was a potential buyer and a horse I was interested in at a higher end auction didn’t provide rads, a sale would be a non-starter for me :slight_smile:

If you are going to spend money, you’re probably going to vet the horse out. The vet will probably review the repository X Rays and then may want to re shoot some of the Xrays.

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Yes, thus the PET, and the question of how the expense will be paid. Many owners will pay for diagnostics without being forced to do so. Some will race horses that are not sound. Will the convenience of the machine being at SA really make a difference?

Is anyone aware of any proposed criteria that would compel the use of the PET scan?

I don’t think SA can “compel” the use of a PET scan. They can have a state vet look at a horse and scratch it from a race if it’s entered.

I don’t think so either. It seems that having a PET scan available won’t make much difference. It seems like a convenient thing to have, but for it to make an impact it has to be used.

A horse running with an undiagnosed slab fracture is really unfortunate.

What a rotten year for racing its been. LaurieB’s foals are a bright spot though.

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Sorry if I missed this somewhere but how does banning Lasix use prevent horses breaking down and dying?

It doesn’t.

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It doesn’t. It’s just a move meant to appease the public who have been told that all horses race all the time on drugs.

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Thought so.

The 25th horse has died at SA:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/more/la-sp-horse-death-25-santa-anita-20190520-story.html

In humans, one of the warnings is it may decrease bone mass by increasing calcium excretion in the kidneys. Perhaps that’s where it came from. But from the reaction here it sounds like it’s not the same with horses.

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